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MessageRon,
First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are strict =
and precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)
It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what amount of =
the 4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages =
and what does and doesn=E2=80=99t drain back from the filter. I am also =
curious, what, if any of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By =
that I mean did the oil height extend into the broader area of the pan. =
If it did then I=E2=80=99d estimate that volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 =
times once the oil reaches that point for a given dip stick rise amount.
I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine swap and =
to get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil =
I had. The car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut =
it down and worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven =
I would find that as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I =
checked the dip stick and making a mental compensation for the driveway =
angle felt the level was sufficient. I mean, after all, I had put in 5 =
quarts (I thought) months ago. It was only after seeking exceptionally =
level ground and factoring for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle =
of the engine (350 Chevy in a 64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) =
that in fact I was 2 full quarts low! The good news is that no damage =
appeared to be done and in this case the repair was made with a funnel.
I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on level =
ground), warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level =
is after sitting a few minutes. A file or Dremel tool can then be used =
to notch the stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual =
guide as it relates to the new mark.
Tom
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM
To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
Subject: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report
I set up a fixture - 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up
I used my 260 Tiger dipstick and tube. The end of this dipstick is =
about 1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.
Leveled fixture front to back, side to side
2qt - level is at ADD line
3qt - level is 1/4" below FULL line
4qt - level is at the top L of FULL
Tiger oil lines hold about 4 oz
I calculated the volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements =
probably vary
Fram PH8A =3D 49.214 cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt ( 1.7 + .25 =3D =
1.95 pt) almost 1qt
Fram PH3600 =3D 34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt
I measured the angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front
I measured the angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down =
at back
Tilt test
2 degree front 3qt - level is at FULL line
4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval
5 degree back 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below mid =
line
4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line
I never think the tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you =
have it - Tilt means everything with respect to the dipstick.
Ron Fraser
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<DIV>Ron,</DIV>
<DIV>First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are =
strict and=20
precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what =
amount of=20
the 4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages =
and what=20
does and doesn=E2=80=99t drain back from the filter. I am also curious, =
what, if any of=20
the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By that I mean did the oil =
height=20
extend into the broader area of the pan. If it did then I=E2=80=99d =
estimate that volume=20
increases 1-1/2 to 2 times once the oil reaches that point for a given =
dip stick=20
rise amount.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine swap =
and to=20
get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil I =
had. The=20
car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut it down and =
worked=20
on other areas. Months later when the car was driven I would find that =
as the=20
car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I checked the dip stick and =
making a=20
mental compensation for the driveway angle felt the level was =
sufficient. =20
I mean, after all, I had put in 5 quarts (I thought) months ago. =
It was=20
only after seeking exceptionally level ground and factoring for =
the=20
significant 6-7 degree rearward angle of the engine (350 Chevy in a 64=20
Studebaker in case you are wondering) that in fact I was 2 full quarts=20
low! The good news is that no damage appeared to be done and in =
this case=20
the repair was made with a funnel.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on level =
ground),=20
warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level is after =
sitting a=20
few minutes. A file or Dremel tool can then be used to notch the =
stick. I=20
then use the add/full range as a rough visual guide as it relates to the =
new=20
mark.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dtigers@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dtigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net";>tigers@Autox.Team.Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level =
report</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I set =
up a fixture -=20
289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I used =
my 260 Tiger=20
dipstick and tube. The end of this dipstick is about =
1/2" off=20
the bottom of the oil pan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D312031019-20102015>Leveled fixture=20
front to back, side to side</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2qt - =
level is at=20
ADD line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>3qt - =
level is 1/4"=20
below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>4qt - =
level is at=20
the top L of FULL</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Tiger =
oil lines hold=20
about 4 oz</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
calculated the=20
volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements probably=20
vary</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH8A =3D 49.214=20
cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt ( 1.7 + .25 =3D 1.95 pt) =
almost=20
1qt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH3600 =3D 34.289=20
cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the angle=20
of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at front</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the angle=20
of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down at =
back</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Tilt=20
test</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2 =
degree=20
front 3qt - level is at FULL=20
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015> &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>5 =
degree=20
back 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below =
mid=20
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015> &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
never think the=20
tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you have it - Tilt means =
everything with respect to the dipstick.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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