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Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 390

To: "'Joel Martin'" <jmartiniii@yahoo.com>, <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 390
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:15:10 -0500
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Joel
1224677 is the Rootes part # in the Parts List
=20
I have not looked at the pedals to see what # is on them
=20
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:35 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net; rfraser@bluefrog.com
Subject: Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 390


Ron

These casting numbers do not match my pedals at all - casting number of
1990300 verses 1224677 - LHD=20
1229806 for RHD.  Any ideas what 1990300 was suppose to fit?  Can you =
send
me a photo of your pedals and the guesstimate of the space behind them =
to
the firewall?  Anyone else have a opinion?


Thanks
Joel Martin





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Today's Topics:

  1. Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space
      (Joel Martin)
  2. Re: Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space
      ( Ron Fraser)
  3. Re: Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space
      (Tom Parker)

Installed drivers seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes
right up to rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall.  Concern is the
amount of room between knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee =
to
shift lever and the foot pedals.  With the clutch pushed in there is =
still
about 8" left to the firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the
accelerator pedals to the firewall.

Do we really have this much wasted foot well room from the end of the =
pedals
to the firewall?  The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about =
even
in the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other =
2.


Findings:  Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting number =
of
1990300 but with different bends entirely.  This seams unusual.  The =
Clutch
bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal
bracket.  The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available
connecting to the pedal bracket.  Both brackets look to be the same.


Spacers at the master cylinders:  brake master has spacer between master =
and
firewall.  Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir
slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the =
clutch
master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not bolt
up..

I see all this wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right
pedals, brackets etc for this car.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Joel Martin




Joel
=20
Since these cars are both left & right hand drive capable; both side =
foot
wells are similar and nearly symmetrical.
=20
There is only 1 part # for the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 - LHD
1229806 for RHD
=20
They should have 1 hole for the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch =
or
brake push rod.
=20
It is very common in manufacturing of pedals to have 1 part, the forged =
base
part which is then struck again to make different pedals.
=20
I found the foot well space behind the pedals to be very handy when =
driving
long distance in cruise control - room to stretch my legs.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel =
Martin
via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:37 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space


Installed drivers seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes
right up to rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall.  Concern is the
amount of room between knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee =
to
shift lever and the foot pedals.  With the clutch pushed in there is =
still
about 8" left to the firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the
accelerator pedals to the firewall.

Do we really have this much wasted foot well room from the end of the =
pedals
to the firewall?  The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about =
even
in the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other =
2.


Findings:  Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting number =
of
1990300 but with different bends entirely.  This seams unusual.  The =
Clutch
bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal
bracket.  The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available
connecting to the pedal bracket.  Both brackets look to be the same.


Spacers at the master cylinders:  brake master has spacer between master =
and
firewall.  Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir
slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the =
clutch
master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not bolt
up..

I see all this wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right
pedals, brackets etc for this car.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Joel Martin





Joel,=20

There doesn't seem to be much adjustment available for pedal height =
except
the two holes on the foot pedal, which gains / costs you @ 1 1/2" of =
height
according to Section K of the Tiger Workshop Manual. If the goal is to =
have
all 3 pedals' height the same that's the base line... whichever hole you
choose, and adjust the throttle pedal height to match the brake and =
clutch
height. I don't think the original brake and clutch rods were =
adjustable...
at least the diagram doesn't show it... but later / aftermarket cylinder
pushrods may have an adjustment there.=20

You're right, imo, the travel is far more than needed for full clutch /
brake engagement, But with the Tiger tunnel mods it gets a bit tight the
closer to the firewall the pedals get. I'm a little guy; the folks with =
big
feet will have issues the lower the pedals. As it is it's easy to hit =
the
brake and throttle at the same time until one gets used to the car.=20

Anything can be accomplished with a drill press, but stock height, =
sadly,
appears to be fixed.

Tom
'67 Mark 2

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:



Joel
=20
Since these cars are both left & right hand drive capable; both side =
foot
wells are similar and nearly symmetrical.
=20
There is only 1 part # for the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 - LHD
1229806 for RHD
=20
They should have 1 hole for the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch =
or
brake push rod.
=20
It is very common in manufacturing of pedals to have 1 part, the forged =
base
part which is then struck again to make different pedals.
=20
I found the foot well space behind the pedals to be very handy when =
driving
long distance in cruise control - room to stretch my legs.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel =
Martin
via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:37 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space


Installed drivers seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes
right up to rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall.  Concern is the
amount of room between knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee =
to
shift lever and the foot pedals.  With the clutch pushed in there is =
still
about 8" left to the firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the
accelerator pedals to the firewall.

Do we really have this much wasted foot well room from the end of the =
pedals
to the firewall?  The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about =
even
in the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other =
2.


Findings:  Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting number =
of
1990300 but with different bends entirely.  This seams unusual.  The =
Clutch
bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal
bracket.  The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available
connecting to the pedal bracket.  Both brackets look to be the same.


Spacers at the master cylinders:  brake master has spacer between master =
and
firewall.  Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir
slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the =
clutch
master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not bolt
up..

I see all this wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right
pedals, brackets etc for this car.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Joel Martin






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face=3DArial>Joel</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015181316-04112015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>1224677 is the Rootes part # in the Parts =
List</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015181316-04112015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015181316-04112015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>I have=20
not looked at the pedals to see what # is on them</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015181316-04112015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>Ron</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Joel Martin=20
  [mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 04, =
2015=20
  10:35 AM<BR><B>To:</B> tigers@autox.team.net;=20
  rfraser@bluefrog.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 7, =
Issue=20
  390<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, =
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4239>Ron</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4266><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4401>These casting =
numbers do not=20
  match my pedals at all - casting number of 1990300 verses <FONT=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4414 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4413>1224677 - LHD</SPAN></FONT> =
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4412>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4463><FONT=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4418 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417>1229806 for RHD.&nbsp; Any ideas =
what=20
  1990300 was suppose to fit?&nbsp; Can you send me a photo of your =
pedals and=20
  the guesstimate of the space behind them to the firewall?&nbsp; Anyone =
else=20
  have a opinion?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4600><BR><FONT=20
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  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417>Thanks</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417>Joel =
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  Contents of Tigers digest..."<BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>&nbsp; 1.=20
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&nbsp;=20
  (Joel Martin)<BR>&nbsp; 2. Re: Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat =
Foot well=20
  space<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ( Ron Fraser)<BR>&nbsp; 3. Re: =
Concern\Question=20
  - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (Tom =
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4339>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6667>Installed drivers=20
  seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes right up to =
rear shelf=20
  on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall.&nbsp; Concern is the amount of room =
between=20
  knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to shift lever and the =
foot=20
  pedals.&nbsp; With the clutch pushed in there is still about 8" left =
to the=20
  firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the accelerator pedals to =
the=20
  firewall.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6668><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6673>Do we =
really have=20
  this much wasted foot well room from the end of the pedals to the=20
  firewall?&nbsp; The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about =
even in=20
  the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other=20
  2.<BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6669><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6670>Findings:&nbsp;=20
  Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting number of =
1990300 but=20
  with different bends entirely.&nbsp; This seams unusual.&nbsp; The =
Clutch=20
  bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal=20
  bracket.&nbsp; The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 holes =
available=20
  connecting to the pedal bracket.&nbsp; Both brackets look to be the=20
  same.<BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6716><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6744>Spacers at the=20
  master cylinders:&nbsp; brake master has spacer between master and=20
  firewall.&nbsp; Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake =
reservoir=20
  slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the =
clutch=20
  master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not =
bolt=20
  up..</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6850>I see =
all this=20
  wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right pedals, =
brackets etc=20
  for this car.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6848>Any =
ideas would=20
  be greatly appreciated.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr =
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  Martin<BR></DIV>
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  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4637 =
class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015>Since=20
  these cars are both left &amp; right hand drive capable; both =
side&nbsp;foot=20
  wells are similar and&nbsp;nearly symmetrical.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4413 =
class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015>There=20
  is only 1 part # for the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 -=20
  LHD</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4417=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015>1229806 for =
RHD</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4411><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4406><FONT=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4405 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4404 =
class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015>They=20
  should have 1 hole for the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch or =
brake=20
  push rod.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4410><FONT=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4409 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4408 =
class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015>It is=20
  very common in manufacturing of pedals to have 1 part, the forged base =
part=20
  which is then struck again to make different =
pedals.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015>I found the foot well space =
behind the=20
  pedals to be very handy when driving long distance in cruise control - =
room to=20
  stretch my legs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015>Ron Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5072557774453423413-04112015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4641>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4640 lang=3Den-us=20
    class=3Dyiv5072557774OutlookMessageHeader align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D2=20
    face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
    [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joel =
Martin via=20
    Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:37 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    tigers@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Concern\Question - =
Front=20
    Drivers Seat Foot well space<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, =
times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 16px"=20
    id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4642>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6667>Installed=20
    drivers seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes right =
up to=20
    rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall.&nbsp; Concern is the =
amount of=20
    room between knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to =
shift lever=20
    and the foot pedals.&nbsp; With the clutch pushed in there is still =
about 8"=20
    left to the firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the =
accelerator=20
    pedals to the firewall.</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6668><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6673>Do =
we really=20
    have this much wasted foot well room from the end of the pedals to =
the=20
    firewall?&nbsp; The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about =
even in=20
    the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other=20
    2.<BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6669><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6670>Findings:&nbsp;=20
    Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting number of =
1990300 but=20
    with different bends entirely.&nbsp; This seams unusual.&nbsp; The =
Clutch=20
    bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal =

    bracket.&nbsp; The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 holes =
available=20
    connecting to the pedal bracket.&nbsp; Both brackets look to be the=20
    same.<BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6716><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6744>Spacers at the=20
    master cylinders:&nbsp; brake master has spacer between master and=20
    firewall.&nbsp; Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake =
reservoir=20
    slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or =
the clutch=20
    master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not =
bolt=20
    up..</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6791><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6850>I =
see all this=20
    wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right pedals, =
brackets=20
    etc for this car.</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6849><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6848>Any =
ideas would=20
    be greatly appreciated.</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6881><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6959>Regards</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6960>Joel=20
    Martin<BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6847><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
    <DIV=20
  =
id=3Dyiv5072557774yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6672><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCK=
QUOTE></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyiv5072557774>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Joel,
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>There doesn't seem to be much adjustment available for pedal =
height=20
  except the two holes on the foot pedal, which gains / costs you @ 1 =
1/2" of=20
  height according to Section K of the Tiger Workshop Manual. If the =
goal is to=20
  have all 3 pedals' height the same that's the base line... whichever =
hole you=20
  choose, and adjust the throttle pedal height to match the brake and =
clutch=20
  height. I don't think the original brake and clutch rods were =
adjustable... at=20
  least the diagram doesn't show it... but later / aftermarket cylinder =
pushrods=20
  may have an adjustment there.&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>You're right, imo, the travel is far more than needed for full =
clutch /=20
  brake engagement, But with the Tiger tunnel mods it gets a bit tight =
the=20
  closer to the firewall the pedals get. I'm a little guy; the folks =
with big=20
  feet will have issues the lower the pedals. As it is it's easy to hit =
the=20
  brake and throttle at the same time until one gets used to the=20
car.&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Anything can be accomplished with a drill press, but stock =
height, sadly,=20
  appears to be fixed.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Tom</DIV>
  <DIV>'67 Mark 2</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4653 =
class=3Dyiv5072557774gmail_extra><BR>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4652 =
class=3Dyiv5072557774gmail_quote>On Wed,=20
  Nov 4, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank=20
  =
ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A>&gt;</S=
PAN>=20
  wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4651 =
class=3Dyiv5072557774gmail_quote><U></U>
    <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4650>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN>Joel</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>Since these =
cars are both=20
    left &amp; right hand drive capable; both side&nbsp;foot wells are =
similar=20
    and&nbsp;nearly symmetrical.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>There is only =
1 part # for=20
    the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 - LHD</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>1229806 for=20
    RHD</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>They should =
have 1 hole for=20
    the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch or brake push=20
    rod.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4649><FONT=20
    id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4648 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4647>It is very common in =
manufacturing of=20
    pedals to have 1 part, the forged base part which is then struck =
again to=20
    make different pedals.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4656><FONT=20
    id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4655 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4654>I found the foot well space =
behind the=20
    pedals to be very handy when driving long distance in cruise control =
- room=20
    to stretch my legs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4657><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
    face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN>Ron=20
    Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4662>
    <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4661 class=3Dyiv5072557774h5>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr=20
    id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4660>
      <DIV></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma>-----Original=20
      Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers [mailto:<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3Dnofollow =
target=3D_blank=20
      =
ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net</A>]=20
      <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joel Martin via Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> =
Tuesday,=20
      November 03, 2015 7:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
      href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3Dnofollow =
target=3D_blank=20
      =
ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>=
Subject:</B>=20
      [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well=20
      space<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, =
times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 16px"=20
      id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4659>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Installed drivers seat today, and moved seat all =
the way to=20
      rear - comes right up to rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0"=20
      tall.&nbsp; Concern is the amount of room between knees, stock =
steering=20
      wheel (15.3"), right knee to shift lever and the foot =
pedals.&nbsp; With=20
      the clutch pushed in there is still about 8" left to the firewall =
with=20
      about 11" from brake pedal and the accelerator pedals to the=20
      firewall.</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4658><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Do we really have this much wasted foot well room =
from the=20
      end of the pedals to the firewall?&nbsp; The brake pedal and the=20
      accelerator pedal are about even in the foot well with the clutch =
about 1"=20
      further 'out' than the other 2.<BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4664><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Findings:&nbsp; Both the brake and clutch pedal =
have the same=20
      casting number of 1990300 but with different bends entirely.&nbsp; =
This=20
      seams unusual.&nbsp; The Clutch bends to the left with only 1 =
available=20
      hole connecting to the pedal bracket.&nbsp; The brake bends =
slightly to=20
      the right with 2 holes available connecting to the pedal =
bracket.&nbsp;=20
      Both brackets look to be the same.<BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Spacers at the master cylinders:&nbsp; brake master =
has=20
      spacer between master and firewall.&nbsp; Clutch master does not =
have=20
      spacer due to brake reservoir slightly to one side closest to =
clutch=20
      reservoir, so no spacer or the clutch master reservoir would =
contact brake=20
      master reservoir and would not bolt up..</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>I see all this wasted foot well space and now =
wonder if I=20
      have the right pedals, brackets etc for this car.</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Regards</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Joel Martin<BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1446650598350_4665><BR></DIV>
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