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To: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Differential
From: Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:47:10 -0700 (MST)
Cc: Joel Martin <jmartiniii@yahoo.com>, tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
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Didn't the axle spline count change at some point? So you can do the conver=
sion but there are a few extra tweaks necessary, possibly up to and includi=
ng the installation of new axles.=20

IIRC most of the period posi conversions were done using a Jaguar different=
ial assembly. Then there is something that sticks in my mind where the orig=
inal ring gear bolts are smaller than what is being used now. So if you're =
using a modern posi unit then you have to use stepped ring gear bolts.=20

My Tiger has the 3.31 gears (and a Torsen LSD) and it spins at about 3000 R=
PM at 60 MPH, in fourth. The five speed makes it livable but first gear is =
really short. Still need to change it over to the Z ratios.=20

-Theo=20





From: "tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net>=20
To: "Joel Martin" <jmartiniii@yahoo.com>, "tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net>=
=20
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:16:34 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Differential=20

Stock rear end is NOT posi. It is now called Dana44, same diff as a lot of =
4x4 front as well as others.=20
A normal rear end shop can put posi in if someone didn't do yours before.=
=20
Axles, bearings, hubs are unique Tiger.=20
Stock is about 2450RPM at 60, way too fast unless you have a big cam IMHO.=
=20
Big carb, hopped up 289, you probably get 14mpg highway? Ouch.=20
I have a stock 5.0L/T-5 wide ratio.. maybe 220HP, 14in wheels =3D1950RPM at=
 70.. NICE. Like a modern car=20
MPG > 20 but not sure..=20
Good luck,=20
Gary=20


On 11/16/2019 8:02 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:=20





The manual shows that Tiger rear ends are: Salisbury hypoid =E2=80=984.HA=
=E2=80=99 with a 2.88 to 1 ratio. What does the 4.HA stand for?=20

My understanding is these are posi traction meaning both wheels are applyin=
g power.=20

Those of you with 2.88 rear ratio gears, wide ratio 4 speed top loader tran=
smissions, what is your RPM=E2=80=99s in fourth at 50, 60,70 & 80 MPH?=20

Those of you running other rear end rations, other factors the same, what a=
re your RPM=E2=80=99s at the same speed and what ratio?=20

I like to drive my cars and just got back from a 1,263 mile 6 day trip in m=
y original owner 1973 MGB with 229,000 miles on the car.=20

Things to consider: 1966 MK1A with 289 HiPo motor with about 300 HP and est=
imated 9.4.1 compression=20

600 cfm 4 barrel Holley carburetor=20

Headers with 2.25=E2=80=9D exhaust=20

15=E2=80=9D wheels running 205\50 x 15 tires=20

Wide ratio top loader 4 speed transmission=20

Believe Salisbury posi rear end=20

Closed, open, locked, posi, ratios =E2=80=93 the list is endless. What I am=
 looking for is a very streetable around town and on the highway posi rear =
end ratio that will work well with a good balance between acceleration for =
fun and highway cruising. I am not there yet. I have the acceleration for f=
un part in place but not the highway cruising (of course - avoid highways\i=
nterstate).=20


Data means a lot regarding RPM=E2=80=99s at speeds between 50 to 80 mph. Th=
ose of you who have switched ratios, please share your pros and cons.=20

Thank you for your input.=20

Regards=20

Joel Martin=20


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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>Didn't the axle spline count change at some=
 point? So you can do the conversion but there are a few extra tweaks neces=
sary, possibly up to and including the installation of new axles.</div><div=
><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>IIRC most of the period posi conversio=
ns were done using a Jaguar differential assembly. Then there is something =
that sticks in my mind where the original ring gear bolts are smaller than =
what is being used now. So if you're using a modern posi unit then you have=
 to use stepped ring gear bolts.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><=
div>My Tiger has the 3.31 gears (and a Torsen LSD) and it spins at about 30=
00 RPM at 60 MPH, in fourth. The five speed makes it livable but first gear=
 is really short. Still need to change it over to the Z ratios.</div><div><=
br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>-Theo</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"=
></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></=
div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-m=
arker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"tigers" &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt;<b=
r><b>To: </b>"Joel Martin" &lt;jmartiniii@yahoo.com&gt;, "tigers" &lt;tiger=
s@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:16:34 AM=
<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Tiger Differential<br></div><div><br></div=
><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__">Stock rear end is NOT posi.&nbsp; It =
is now called Dana44, same diff as a
    lot of 4x4 front as well as others.<br>
    A normal rear end shop can put posi in if someone didn't do yours
    before.<br>
    Axles, bearings, hubs are unique Tiger.<br>
    Stock is about 2450RPM at 60, way too fast unless you have a big cam
    IMHO.<br>
    Big carb, hopped up 289, you probably get 14mpg highway?&nbsp; Ouch.<br=
>
    I have a stock 5.0L/T-5 wide ratio..&nbsp; maybe 220HP, 14in wheels
    =3D1950RPM at 70.. NICE.&nbsp; Like a modern car<br>
    MPG &gt; 20 but&nbsp; not sure..<br>
    Good luck,<br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 11/16/2019 8:02 AM, Joel Martin via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite=3D"mid:381467494.773614.1573920156530@mail.yahoo.com">
     =20
      <div class=3D"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:garamond, new
        york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">The manual shows that Tiger
              rear ends are:<span>&nbsp; </span>Salisbury hypoid =E2=80=984=
.HA=E2=80=99 with
              a 2.88 to 1
              ratio.<span>&nbsp; </span>What does the 4.HA stand for?</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">My understanding is these
              are posi traction meaning both
              wheels are applying power.</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Those of you with 2.88 rear
              ratio gears, wide ratio 4 speed
              top loader transmissions, what is your RPM=E2=80=99s in fourt=
h at
              50, 60,70 &amp; 80
              MPH?&nbsp;
            </p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Those of you running other
              rear end rations, other factors
              the same, what are your RPM=E2=80=99s at the same speed and w=
hat
              ratio?</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">I like to drive my cars and
              just got back from a 1,263 mile
              6 day trip in my original owner 1973 MGB with 229,000
              miles on the car.&nbsp;
            </p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Things to consider:<span>&nbs=
p;
              </span>1966 MK1A with 289 HiPo motor with about 300 HP and
              estimated 9.4.1 compression</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">600 cfm 4 barrel Holley
              carburetor</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Headers with 2.25=E2=80=9D ex=
haust</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">15=E2=80=9D wheels running 20=
5\50 x
              15 tires</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Wide ratio top loader 4
              speed transmission</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Believe Salisbury posi rear
              end </p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Closed, open, locked, posi,
              ratios =E2=80=93 the list is
              endless.<span>&nbsp; </span>What I am looking for is a
              very streetable around town and on the highway posi rear
              end ratio that will
              work well with a good balance between acceleration for fun
              and highway
              cruising.<span>&nbsp; </span>I am not there yet.&nbsp; I have=
 the
              acceleration for fun part in place but not the highway
              cruising (of course - avoid highways\interstate).<br>
            </p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Data means a lot regarding
              RPM=E2=80=99s at speeds between 50 to 80
              mph.<span>&nbsp; </span>Those of you who have switched
              ratios, please share your pros and cons.</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Thank you for your input.</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Regards</p>
            <p class=3D"ydpe3a33268MsoNormal">Joel Martin</p>
          </div>
          <br>
        </div>
      </div>
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