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I had to use a variety of thick and thin to get the spacing right on mine.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 2:03 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
> Jim
>
> I think the number per shaft is variable. You have to
> take up the space so the spring is not showing.
>
>
>
> I have 2 donuts + steel washers on the door latch handle and 1 donut on m=
y
> window crank.
>
>
>
> In my case it could be that I have a mixture of door parts creating this.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* James Armstrong <rollright@aol.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* rfraser@bluefrog.com; jbbrown1980@gmail.com
> *Cc:* sunsp22@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned
>
>
>
> Hello Dr. Fraser,
>
>
>
> I'd call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff back
> in the day.
>
> But regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, one on each shaf=
t.
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A 2083
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/19/2020 1:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rfraser@bluefrog.com writes:
>
>
>
> This is a follow up on this subject.
>
>
>
> Donuts look like compressed paper to me
>
>
>
> OD =3D 1.54=E2=80=9D
>
> ID =3D .486=E2=80=9D
>
> Thickness =3D .39=E2=80=9D 2nd spacer =3D .335=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:35 AM
> *To:* James Armstrong <rollright@aol.com>
> *Cc:* sunsp22@comcast.net; Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned
>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for all of this information. I put my doors back
> together about a week ago and realized from this discussion that I left o=
ut
> the donuts. I found my old ones but I don't have enough for all of the
> handles and the ones I do have are rough. I don't see them in the SS
> catalog so I may attempt to make some from some masonite or something.
>
>
>
> Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of the full donuts
> is? One of mine that still looks good measures .33", but it might have
> swollen up over the years.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always.
>
>
>
> What I learned:
>
> - both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2)
> felt donuts or four half donuts(4) per door to set up proper
> door panel position and rigidity
>
> - Rick has these in stock if you need them
>
> - the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle
> tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.
> Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; *Dimensions - .35?
> x .384? .293? thick*
> - the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar wit=
h
> or without spring. If not, make it so.
>
> - The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted
> with a positive stop. Almost no-one has these today and new
> ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assembly effort required but =
OK
>
> - remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuatin=
g
> plate that goes from the handle area to the latch and travels right
> over the big window mechanism opening in the door
>
> You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of
> dampener. Prevents a major rattle on door closer/slam
>
>
> Thanks to all that contributed and lent a hand!
>
>
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
> Mk 1A
>
> 382002083 LRXFE
>
> Code 86
>
> TAC #....
>
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>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I had to use a variety of thick and thin to get the spaci=
ng right on mine.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 2:03 PM Ron Fraser <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purp=
le"><div class=3D"m_720631672421803305WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Jim<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think the nu=
mber per shaft is variable.=C2=A0 You have to take up the space so the spri=
ng is not showing.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have 2 donuts + steel washers on the door =
latch handle and 1 donut on my window crank.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my case it coul=
d be that I have a mixture of door parts creating this.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fra=
ser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> James Armstrong <<a href=3D"mailto:rollrigh=
t@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rollright@aol.com</a>> <=
br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 19, 2020 1:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:rfraser@bluefrog.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rfraser@bluef=
rog.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:s=
unsp22@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sunsp22@comcast.ne=
t</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Door pr=
oject; what I learned<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hello Dr. Frase=
r,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blac=
k">I'd call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff=
=C2=A0 back in the day.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:black">But regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, =
one on each shaft.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;=
color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif=
;color:black">Jim Armstrong<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Mk 1A=C2=A0 2083<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In a message dated 6/19/2020 1:43:48 PM Easte=
rn Standard Time, <a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
rel=3D"noreferrer">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a> writes: <u></u><u></u></p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;mar=
gin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div id=3D"m_72063167=
2421803305yiv0179606969"><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01796=
06969msonormal">This is a follow up on this subject.<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Donuts look like co=
mpressed paper to me<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01=
79606969msonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305=
yiv0179606969msonormal">OD =3D 1.54=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m=
_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">ID =3D .486=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Thickness =3D=
.39=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2<sup>nd</sup> spacer =3D .335=E2=80=9D<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=C2=A0=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">R=
on Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969mso=
normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01796069=
69msonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017=
9606969msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif">From:</span></strong> Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a>> <strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",san=
s-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Joe Brown<br><strong><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Saturday, =
May 30, 2020 11:35 AM<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri&q=
uot;,sans-serif">To:</span></strong> James Armstrong <<a href=3D"mailto:=
rollright@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rollright@aol.com</=
a>><br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif=
">Cc:</span></strong> <a href=3D"mailto:sunsp22@comcast.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">sunsp22@comcast.net</a>; Tigers Den <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers@au=
tox.team.net</a>><br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I =
learned<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msono=
rmal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01796=
06969msonormal">Thanks to everyone for all of this information.=C2=A0 I put=
my doors back together about a week ago and realized from this discussion =
that I left out the donuts. I found my old ones but I don't have enough=
for all of the handles and the ones I do have are rough.=C2=A0 I don't=
see them in the SS catalog so I may attempt to make some from some masonit=
e or something.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"m_72063167242=
1803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Can somebody verify what th=
e total thickness of one of the full donuts is?=C2=A0 One of mine that stil=
l looks good measures .33", but it might have swollen up over the year=
s.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017=
9606969msonormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_72063167=
2421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Joe Brown<u></u><u></u><=
/p></div></div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017960696=
9msonormal">On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <=
<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre=
r">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.=
0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
"><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Gentlemen,</span><u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">=
First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always.</span><u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv=
0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Aria=
l",sans-serif;color:black">What I learned:</span><u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">=
- both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) f=
elt donuts or four half donuts(4)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0p=
er=C2=A0 door to set up proper door panel position and rigidity</span><u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if;color:black">- Rick has these in stock if you need them</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;co=
lor:black">- the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber an=
ti-rattle tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0Dr. Ron Fr=
aser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; </span><em><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:black">Dimensions -=
.35? x .384?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 .293? thick</span></em> <span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"=
><br>- the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar =
with or without spring. If not, make it so.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">- Th=
e original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted with a p=
ositive stop. Almost no-one has=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0these today and new ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assem=
bly effort required but OK</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m=
_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">- remember to check f=
or anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating plate that goes from =
the handle area=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to the latch and travels right ov=
er the big window mechanism opening in the door</span><u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use a=
ny kind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0door closer/slam</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br>Thanks =
to all that contributed and lent a hand!</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969ms=
onormal">Jim Armstrong<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_7206316724=
21803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Mk 1A<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">382002083 LRXFE<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Co=
de 86<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017960=
6969msonormal">TAC #....<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"m_7206316=
72421803305yiv0179606969msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">_________=
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