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Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tig=
er, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I end=
ed up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Ef=
fectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I =
don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most com=
fortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers=
that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip =
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net>; Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast. I=
t seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.=C2=A0 The rear bar makes it =
loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his =
posi. Very impressive and fast. Gary=C2=A0 =20
On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>=
wrote: =20
=20
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I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you=
have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great=
.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly=
with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.=C2=A0 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.=C2=A0 It=E2=
=80=99s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the t=
ype of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross =
experiences.
=20
=20
Matthew
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via =
Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.=C2=A0
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pict=
ures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
=20
=C2=A0
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Thanks
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=20
Joel Martin
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when =
I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic drivers =
with tons of experience, But, I ended up getting past them both and I think=
set up had a lot to do with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make th=
e car more neutral or "tossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day=
, what you (big "you") are most comfortable with in terms of set up is key =
and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in terms of=
time on course than ultimate grip :)<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>=
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net><br>To: Taylor, Matthew &=
lt;MTaylor@ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net=
>; Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com><br>Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:=
21 am<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br><br></div><div id=3D"=
yiv0150695853"><div>
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I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
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It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart. The rear bar makes=
it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and =
his posi.
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Very impressive and fast.
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Gary
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On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
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<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=
=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger=
with the rear sway bar and it works great. I=E2=80=99ve driven and a=
utocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway ba=
r and they both handle great but different. A good driver can adjust =
to the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one =
is much faster than the other. It=E2=80=99s possible that one could b=
e faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fr=
actions of a second based on my autocross experiences.</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal">Matthew</p>
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3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1=
E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers <=
;tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Michael Wo=
od via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, September=
29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> tigers@autox.team.=
net<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Swa=
y bar</p>
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</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; f=
ont-family: 'Arial', sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">Like said, an=
y rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to see one =
(not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angles, adjustabi=
lity etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sen=
se or was additive to total grip capability. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;"> </span>=
</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"=
data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">Mike<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----<=
br clear=3D"none">From: Joel Martin via Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net<=
/a>><br clear=3D"none">To: Tiger List Serve <<a rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net<=
/a>><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none"=
>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.=
0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">Was a rear swa=
y bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not? S=
ize, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures of how th=
ey were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv0150695853MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.=
0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;"> </span><=
/p>
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0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">Thanks</span><=
/p>
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0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;"> </span><=
/p>
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0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Garamond', serif; color: black;">Joel Martin</s=
pan></p>
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font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;"> </span><=
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