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I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "=
typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing. Without =
knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling =
nuts welded to the surface of it in the proper locations, opened up the hol=
e in the inner frame rail a little more and welded the plate to the inside =
of the outer frame half. I then made a flat plate with holes that fit over,=
but flush with the end of the coupling nuts and butt welded that to the in=
ner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling nuts. It =
looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses for the pan=
hard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connected to both =
sides of the frame rail. That's why I was looking for just the bracket and =
bar, but either I was unaware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment=
issue. It sounds like what I should just do at this point is put my car up=
on the lift and custom build a bracket and bar, located so the bar is para=
llel with the ground and not at an angle.
Steve
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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: jbbrown1980@gmail.com <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>; srwick@hotmail.com <srwi=
ck@hotmail.com>
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>; MTaylor@ea.com <MTaylor@=
ea.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
issues.
tigerengineering.net
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
To: steve wick <srwick@hotmail.com>
Cc: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.=
team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
I would also like pictures or drawings.
Thanks,
Joe Brown
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.ne=
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and=
wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I co=
uld replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket=
on the right side. Thanks guys.
Steve
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m.net>> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net<mail=
to:tigers@autox.team.net>>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
gers@autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
I don=92t know about =93total grip capability,=94 but you have seen my dad =
drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great. I=92ve driven a=
nd autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear swa=
y bar and they both handle great but different. A good driver can adjust t=
o the differences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one i=
s much faster than the other. It=92s possible that one could be faster tha=
n the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a=
second based on my autocross experiences.
Matthew
m.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Wood via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.
Mike
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m.net>>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not? Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pictures =
of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
Thanks
Joel Martin
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I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the &=
quot;typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing=
. Without knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with=
coupling nuts welded to the surface of it
in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a litt=
le more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I then =
made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of the c=
oupling nuts and butt welded that
to the inner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling=
nuts. It looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses f=
or the panhard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connecte=
d to both sides of the frame rail.
That's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was un=
aware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like w=
hat I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom =
build a bracket and bar, located
so the bar is parallel with the ground and not at an angle.</div>
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If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
issues. </div>
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From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com><br>
To: steve wick <srwick@hotmail.com><br>
Cc: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; tigers@autox.team.net <tige=
rs@autox.team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com><br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar<br>
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<div class=3D"x_yiv3215029533gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 a=
t 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"=
shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tig=
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone
has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks guy=
s.</div>
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Steve</div>
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e:11pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Tigers =
<<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounces@autox.team.n=
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<b>To:</b> Michael Wood <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com";>mwood24020@a=
ol.com</a>>;
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<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I d=
on=92t know about =93total grip capability,=94 but you have seen my dad dri=
ve his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great. I=92ve driven=
and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly
with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
. A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other. It=92=
s possible that one could be faster than the
other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a seco=
nd based on my autocross experiences.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">&nb=
sp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mat=
thew</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">&nb=
sp;</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>=
From:</b> Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bou=
nces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>
tigers@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">
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an style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Like=
said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to=
see one (not counting custom fabricated
with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction wi=
th front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total gri=
p capability. </span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">&nbs=
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ack">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
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an style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:Garamond,serif; color:black">Was a =
rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?=
Size, mounting points? Either way
could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted an=
d installed?</span></p>
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