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Subject: rec.autos.makers.mg, etc
From: "Randell Jesup" <jesup@mailhost.scala.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 19:33:18 EDT
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net (Triumph Mailing List), mgs@autox.team.net
        I posted to news.groups after these were proposed, commenting on the
apparent cluelessness of the proposer.  No response.  He apparently doesn't
know about any of the mailing lists or web-sites.  His RFD proposals are all
identical except for a word or two.  His RFD's were immediately followed
by multiple "this is a good idea" messages - from his brother.  Also note
that he didn't post it to any of the appropriate mailing lists.  I'd guess
this person is pretty new to the 'net.

        Perhaps newsgroups are a good idea (though the idea has been vetoed
multiple times here, starting 10(!) years ago), but even if so this is not the
right proposal, IMHO.  While I have been mildly in favor of a newsgroup in
the past, I recommend voting against these proposals (mg,triumph and jaguar -
note that there's no other-british-cars group proposed).

        Randell Jesup
p.s. I'm not including the voting form because the voting regulations
explicitly disallow redistribution by people other than the vote-taker and
(if authorized) the proponent.  Read news.announce.newgroups and vote on
the proposals from there.  I'll cc the vote-taker and ask him to post the
proposal to the brit-car, triumph, mg, and jaguar mailing lists.

From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos.misc
Subject: CFV: rec.autos.makers.mg
Date: 13 Sep 1996 17:50:47 -0000
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.mg

Newsgroups line:
rec.autos.makers.mg     For fans of MG cars.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Oct 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Garry Spencer <gspencer@stim.tec.tn.us>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>

RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.mg

There are many MG car clubs worldwide.  These MG enthusiasts/buffs
derive great pleasure from driving, polishing, restoring, or just
talking about their MG cars.  Each year thousands gather for
MG/British car shows.  Some shows are general in scope and allow any
and all British automobiles (and motorcycles) to be displayed, while
others cater to a particular automaker's line (e.g. MG).  There are
print magazines that showcase certain makes (e.g. "MG
Enthusiast"). There are also web sites such as (www.mgcars.org.uk)
that allow the MG/Brit-Car buff to keep up to date with their favorite
automaker's progress.  There are, however, NO newsgroups that allow
these MG car enthusiasts to freely communicate PERSON-to-PERSON. The
newsgroup listed above would allow these people to share advice on
restoration of older models (a very popular hobby), or to talk about
new models/features, or to inform others of upcoming car shows etc.  I
have found that MG car buffs are a very friendly and helpful group of
people, who are willing to "get their hands dirty" to assist a fellow
MG-Car buff with any problems. I know that the (MG) group would be an
EXTREMELY active newsgroup.  I am pleading my case in the hopes that
this proposed newsgroup will be approved.

CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.mg

The aforementioned newsgroup will be a forum for discussing:
    - Proper care and upkeep of the specific makes.
    - Restoration advice for older models.
    - Impending car shows.
    - The joys of owning and driving an MG.
    - Other related topics .....

END CHARTER.
-- 
Randell Jesup, Scala US R&D, Ex-Commodore-Amiga Engineer class of '94
Randell.Jesup@scala.com
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