Hi Gerhard:
The Ferguson tractor engine was built in the same factory as the Vanguard
engine. In the engine factory, the engines were built in batches of 1000.
After each batch the tooling was changed to build the other engine. In
other words they would build 1000 Vanguard engines then 1000 Ferguson
engines. The Ferguson engine is quite different from the Vanguard engine.
The similarities are mostly in the cylinder head and the internal
components. Externally they look quite different because the block casting
had to carry the transmission and body of the tractor.
John
>Hello John,
>
>because there are different opinions about the TR 4 engine history on the
>list I
>did some research with the TR stuff availible to me. At last I found the Harry
>Webster interview in a Triumph-mag of our club. It was a German translation of
>a Harry Webster interview by Steve Redway and came from "TRaction" # 121, 3/4
>1995. Translated back to English in a little part by me it is :
>
>
>
>"The choice of wet-liners for the Vanguard engine was well done, and it
>was even
> used in the Ferguson-tractor ?"
>
> Harry Webster:
>
>"Yes. Many people assume wrong the Ferguson tractor-engine came bevor the
> TR-engine. Thatīs not true. The engine of the car came first...... . We
>owe the
> TR 2 engine to the Vanguard-limousine. First it should become a 1600 ccm
> engine. But then the car became bigger and needed a 2 litre engine. It was
> developed by Ted Graham, but of course it was a copy of the Citroen
> engine..........."
>
>I was surprised as I read this the first time (Someone with a TRactor on the
>list?).
>
>Gerhard
>
>CC 31998 LO
>
>
>
>John McEwen schrieb:
>> Hi Gerhard:
>>
>> I have always believed that I owned the ancestor of the TR4 engine. I have
>> recently restored a 1950 Standard Vanguard. This engine - a 2088cc,
>> wet-liner, OHV four - was developed in 1947 by Standard Cars, the parent
>> company of Triumph. It was subsequently used in the Triumph 1800/2000
>> drophead coupe, the Triumph Renown and the TR2, TR3 and TR4. Modified into
>> a six cylinder in 1961 for use in the last Vanguards, the engine was
>> subsequently employed in the Vitesse 2000, Triumph 2000 and the TR6.
>>
>> Was the original four cylinder based on a Citroen design? I know that
>> Citroen introduced an OHV four with wet-liners in the early 30s but this
>> was not an original idea. It is possible that Standard may have examined
>> this engine for ideas but by 1947 it seems less likely. The Standard
>> engine was revolutionary for Britain in that the bore/stroke relationship
>> was nearly square, unlike the usual tax-evading narrow bore engines which
>> were previously popular.
>>
>> I would like to hear more on this topic, which should be of interest to all
>> TR owners - except those of us who are blessed/cursed with TR7s.
>>
>> John McEwen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >What is a true LBC....? Were there really many "one-country cars" in the
>> >last 40
>> >years?
>> >
>> >Examples:
>> >
>> >The TR 4 was designed by an Italian and itīs engine is the copy of a Citroen
>> >engine.
>> >
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