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Re: Replica Commission Plates and Stamping (long - and probably tedious!

To: "Geo Hahn" <geohahn@theriver.com>, "TR" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: Replica Commission Plates and Stamping (long - and probably tedious!)
From: "William Davies" <bill@rarebits4classics.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:32:35 -0000 g1RMaOG18358
References: <000501c1be56$2b8536a0$901c0150@u8p1p8> <3C7D3AFA.F7EF633A@theriver.com>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Geo Hahn <geohahn@theriver.com>

> Since this has come up a couple of times recently... I just stamped a new 
>commission plate for the TR4.  Highlights at:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/tucson_british_car_register/tr4-commission.html
> 
> I see that the plate that Bill D plans too have available soon will have the 
>weight designated in kilos which is (I think) correct for a 4.  The plate I 
>received from Moss had 'lbs', presumably suitable for some later TR.

Hi Geo,
   I'm still researching the exact plates fitted to the different models 
through the years - let's just say the situation is complicated! The early TR4 
had a unique plate which showed the particular vehicle type, as did most other 
Triumphs during the early 1960s. Early in 1964, a new universal plate was 
introduced which was applied to pretty much the whole Triumph range, however 
stocks of the remaining type specific plates were used up - some models did not 
receive the new pattern plates until 1965 - I don't know how this applies to 
the TR4 and I'd be interested in any feedback from late TR4 owners regarding 
the types of plate fitted to their cars. This new plate is the one with the 
weight shown in Kilos. The plate was further changed to reflect the seatbelt 
mountings being approved to British Standards, which came into effect during 
1965, hence the "BS AU48:1965" stamped onto the bottom margin of later plates. 
I don't know at which point this marking was introduced, but 1965 or shortly 
after is a safe assumption. There were several other changes over the next few 
years, including the change to weights recorded in lbs and the offset of the 
plate to give a large margin at the bottom and none at the top. There were also 
several model specific plates introduced around this time with different types 
being used for different markets. I don't pretend to know all the answers yet, 
but I am doing my best to provide all of the different patterns. 
    On the web page you note that the stamping is "if anything a bit straighter 
and more evenly punched than many originals". The original commission numbers 
were stamped as a block, excepting the last numeral, which was individually 
stamped. What this usually means is that the prefix and digits all sit nice and 
square and stamped with the same weight, then the last numeral is struck offset 
slightly and usually has a deeper impression. Stamping this way allowed the 
plates to be block stamped in 10s, rather than the dies be swapped after every 
impression. It appears that the suffix was stamped independent of the other 
characters. This is the method I am using in finishing my replicas.
    Cheers,
        Bill.

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