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[TR] re: TR4A 175 CD Metering Needles

To: mgodley@tiac.net, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] re: TR4A 175 CD Metering Needles
From: CarlSereda@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:34:34 EDT
Hi Mike,
First: During late TR4A production, pressure was on to reduce emmisions - and 
Standard-Triumph changed the TR4A distributor and carb specs during 
production. The TR4A WORKSHOP MANUAL SUPPLEMENT dated 1967 - says static timing 
was 
retarded to TDC instead of 4* BTDC and vacuum and centrifugal advance were 
altered to EXTEND the operating range to permit this retarded static setting. 
It 
states SUs were being used and they specify weaker metering needles & jets and 
increased resistance on the damper plunger to counteract the weaker needle.
I only mention these facts as it may indicate what might have been happening 
to the Stromberg settings around 1965-66 before the SUs were reinstated.
My mid production TR4 didn't have any factory emissions equipment (open 
breather like the TR3) and I don't know what you are doing with your 4A 
emission 
equipment (intact? removed?) but for 2006 you might want the late TR4 carb and 
distributor specs rather than the later 4A's 'emissions driven' settings.
I assume your Lucas distributor is marked 40795 A  ##65, vacuum advance is 
stamped 2-6-3, and your Stromberg carbs are stamped 3043 near the air intakes 
(indicating carbs you have below);
1825 = TR4 1963 - early 1965   2A needle, natural color air valve spring
3043 = TR4A early 1965 only   2E needle, natural color air valve spring
3089 = TR4A May 1965 -1966  2H needle, red color air valve spring
The 'Stromberg Spare Parts Schedule for TR4/4A' clearly shows that 3043's use 
2E needles. 
MossUK catalogue shows you can still buy; 2A, 2E, or 2H Stromberg needles for 
 #10.95 each ( see 
http://moss-europe.co.uk/MossUK/ProductList.aspx?SubSubCategoryID=TR2_UTRIS008D 
) 
You might be able to get these delivered cheaply through MossUSA since they 
bought MossUK a few years back.
You probably would be interested to know that both the 2A and 2E needles go 
with an air valve return spring p.n.# 019674 (in natural color) but the later 
2H needles go with a 'more resistant' air valve spring p.n.#020685 (red in 
color).
Any of these 'needles'  can be had for #6.40 and the 'air valve springs' for 
#3.80 at 'Gower and Lee' in the UK as listed below (in fact Jeff sent me a 
chart showing side by side comparison of needle profiles; 2A, 2E and 2H) which 
I 
will send to your email address directly (anyone else can let me know if they 
want it).

Also, somebody was looking for STROMBERG FLOATS.. Gower & Lee sells these new 
for #25 each. Jeff can be reached at:


Jeff Carter

sales@gowerandlee.co.uk

www.gowerandlee.co.uk

Tel/fax + 44 (0)1923 247300


Gower & Lee

P.O. Box 91

Bushey

Herts WD23 2ZG

Regards,
Carl
'63 TR4 since '74

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Listers,
I am rebuilding the Strombergs on my 4A.  The needles in the carbs have  022 
stamped on them.  Mine is early (1965), and the factory workshop manual 
specifies  a 2E needle ( up to CTC 54939, then 2H is specified).  
Moss just shows two needles.....a 2A needle for TR4 and 2H for TR4A.
Is anyone familiar with the 022 size/designation?  I have the profile for the 
2H from an earlier post...does anyone have information on the 2E?
The engine is stock except for 87MM pistons.  Has anyone experimented with a 
different metering needle for this modification?
Thanks
Mike Godley
65 Tr4A


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