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To: Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>, 'Ann Carletta' <anncarletta@yahoo.com>, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Gas Tax
From: David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 14:40:10 -0700
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Carly and Rand both are big on shrinking government... it's time..

On 12/15/2015 2:26 PM, Alex&Janet Thomson wrote:
> And then there are us in Connecticut where not only do we have a 25 cent per 
> gallon tax on gasoline (54 cents on diesel) but there is also the 8% gross 
> receipts tax that wholesalers have to pay to the state. Naturally, that gets 
> passed on to the consumer. So when gasoline is at 3.00 per gallon, there will 
> be an additional 24 cents built into the price at the distribution level. The 
> joke is on the consumer because that additional money was  originally 
> designated for road repair, underground tank replacement assistance to 
> filling stations and the like. Too bad the transportation fund gets raided 
> every year by the governor's office and the state legislature.
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ann 
> Carletta
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 2:23 PM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Gas Tax
>
> A good chunk of the cost per gallon comes from taxes that don't change, 
> regardless of fuel cost.  Pennsylvania has the highest rate of 51.60 cents 
> per gallon (cpg), and is followed closely by New York (45.99 cpg), Hawaii 
> (45.10 cpg), and California (42.35 cpg). On the other end of the spectrum, 
> Alaska has the lowest rate at 12.25 cpg, but New Jersey (14.50 cpg) and South 
> Carolina (16.75 cpg) arenâ??t far behind. These rates do not include the 
> additional 18.40 cent federal excise tax., So Pennsylvanians pay a 70 cents 
> tax on every gallon and NYers 64.39 while good ole NJ, which is in between 
> the two states adds 32.9 cents to every gallon (and we're full-serve, no 
> self-serve here!). Realize your tax on gas can be as high as 25%!  If you 
> have a 20 gallon tank, you're paying $14.00 in tax every time you fill up in 
> PA!  Once a week brings you to $728 in taxes a year.
>
>
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>      1. Replacing Universal joints on a drive  shaft (Sujit Roy)
>      2. Re: Replacing Universal joints on a  drive shaft
>         (Alex&Janet Thomson)
>      3. Re: value for insurance proposes?
>   (David Ljung Madison)
>      4. Ruminations (Home Consolidated)
>      5. Re: Ruminations (Joe Curry)
>      6. Re: Ruminations (Bob Labuz)
>      7. Re: Ruminations (David Friedlander)
>      8. Re: Ruminations (John Macartney)
>      9. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
>     10. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
>     11. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
>     12. Re: Ruminations (Randall)
>     13. Re: Ruminations (Jeff Scarbrough)
>     14. Re: Ruminations (Bob Labuz)
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>   
>   Message: 1
>   Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:04:35 -0800
>   From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com>
>   To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
>   Message-ID:
>       <CANLCLaHO1aRpUq2AZ03-K9-X=0nLUZSzfvHFbeg1Fg4wNYVYVg@mail.gmail.com>
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>   I?ve been fortunate enough to source myself a pair of half  shafts from a  
> Triumph 2000. These apparently fit a Triumph Stag which I  have. The shafts  
> come with replicable universal joints, unlike the staked  type currently on  
> my Stag.
>   
>   I can get two types of joint GUJ102 without zirk / grease  nipple or GUJ107 
>  with zirk / grease nipple. 2 are required per side.  The problem with
>   GUJ107 is once fitted to the car there is no way to get to  the zirk closet 
>  to the hub as it is enclosed by the radius arm.  I?m  aware TR6s have a  
> similar setup.
>   
>   So should I get 4 no-zirked type and fit once and forget, or  buy the 
> zirked  type and periodically, which means never in my case, re-  grease by 
> removing  the shaft?
>   
>   Do the zirked type really need pumping with grease once in a  while?
>   
>   Also, doing a cross reference to other part numbers of the  zirked type ,  
> prices vary from $11 to $25 Any recommendations on brand I  found the ones  
> below.
>   
>   I also found a cross reference to GMB
>   
>   
>   
>   GUJ107 cross references these following parts
>   
>   Factory Number
>   
>   ACDelco
>      45U0168
>   
>   BECK/ARNLEY    102-0031
>   
>   BECK/ARNLEY    102-0106
>   
>   REO        55P1
>   
>   
>   
>   CARRARO            107625
>   
>   JENSEN 94425
>   
>   
>   
>   Regards, Sujit
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>   Message: 2
>   Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:20:09 -0500
>   From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson@charter.net>
>   To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag@gmail.com>,  "'Triumphs'"
>       <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive  shaft
>   Message-ID:
>   <00a801d136bd$97c935c0$c75ba140$@charter.net>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>   
>   For what it is worth, the original, ?sealed?, non-greaseable  u-joint 
> crosses on my ?81 Toyota diesel pickup were as  smooth as new when I junked 
> the truck after 140,000 miles  and 10 years of use.
>   
>    
>   
>   Alex Thomson
>   
>    
>   
>   From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
>   On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
>   Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 5:05 PM
>   To: Triumphs
>   Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
>   
>    
>   
>   I?ve been fortunate enough to source myself a pair of half  shafts from a 
> Triumph 2000. These apparently fit a Triumph  Stag which I have. The shafts 
> come with replicable universal  joints, unlike the staked type currently on 
> my Stag.
>   
>   I can get two types of joint GUJ102 without zirk / grease  nipple or GUJ107 
> with zirk / grease nipple. 2 are required  per side.  The problem with GUJ107 
> is once fitted to  the car there is no way to get to the zirk closet to the 
> hub  as it is enclosed by the radius arm.  I?m aware TR6s  have a similar 
> setup.
>   
>   So should I get 4 no-zirked type and fit once and forget, or  buy the 
> zirked type and periodically, which means never in  my case, re- grease by 
> removing the shaft?
>   
>   Do the zirked type really need pumping with grease once in a  while?
>   
>   Also, doing a cross reference to other part numbers of the  zirked type , 
> prices vary from $11 to $25 Any  recommendations on brand I found the ones 
> below.
>   
>   I also found a cross reference to GMB
>   
>    
>   
>   GUJ107 cross references these following parts
>   
>   Factory Number
>   
>   ACDelco
>      45U0168
>   
>   BECK/ARNLEY    102-0031
>   
>   BECK/ARNLEY    102-0106
>   
>   REO        55P1
>   
>    
>   
>   CARRARO            107625
>   
>   JENSEN 94425
>   
>    
>   
>   Regards, Sujit
>   
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>   Message: 3
>   Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:22:29 -0800
>   From: David Ljung Madison <team.net@daveola.com>
>   To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>   Subject: Re: [TR] value for insurance proposes?
>   Message-ID: <20151214222229.GL3222@getdave.com>
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>   
>   
>   JonMac says:
>   > In my case, my first valuation was based on:
>   > 1. What I paid for the car - (which was nothing because  it was a wreck) 
> PLUS  > 2. The value of parts I had bought for it supported by  receipts or a 
> referenced Excel spreadsheet that could be  checked  > 3. The known or likely 
> number of hours work I had done  on the car in my ownership up to a maximum 
> of 500 hours.
>   This was multiplied by a very nominal hourly unskilled  labour rate, PLUs  
> > 4. The value of any work done to the car by a  professional - i.e. a 
> repaint.
>   
>   This estimate is going to be a bit on the high-side, which  may be  
> desirable, but might be difficult to convince an insurance  company of  
> ipso-facto.  For example, if you have a $30k car with  fairly good  paint on 
> it, and you get it repainted for $10k, you probably  *do not*  have a $40k 
> car.  And plenty of work done on the car is  to just fight  entropy and 
> replace things that are breaking, that doesn't  really add  to the cars 
> value, just maintains it.
>   
>   Let's just hope that the number of us who need to face these  issues  is 
> kept to a minimum.  :)
>   
>   Dave
>   
>   
>   
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>   
>   Message: 4
>   Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:59:21 -0600
>   From: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
>   To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: [TR] Ruminations
>   Message-ID: <CC309723-ED32-4A52-B96D-4F2F0C23C163@consolidated.net>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>   
>   I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to  thinking.  Has 
> gas ever been this low?
>   
>   An inflation calculator. 
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
>   tells me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in  1962, $0.27 in 
> 1970, $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18  in 2000. I never remember gas 
> prices that low. I remember
>   $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early  sixties and 
> $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before  the first Arab embargo, but 
> otherwise it seems like prices  were always a lot higher.  In 2005 I remember 
> paying  north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was  watching 
> an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
>   $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>   
>   We must be doing something right.
>   
>   Ken Gano
>   
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>   Message: 5
>   Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:18:19 -0700
>   From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
>   To: "'Home Consolidated'" <triumphs@consolidated.net>,  "'Listserv
>       Triumph'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>   Message-ID: <826796D1AEF648A5B76E4AD84075B59E@Bedroom>
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>   
>   I can remember when I was in High School when the local  stations regularly 
>  staged "Gas Wars" and one time it got as low as 5 cents a  gallon.  That  
> would be equivalent to %0 cents per gallon today.
>   
>    
>   
>   Joe
>   
>    
>   
>     _____
>   
>   From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
>   On Behalf Of Home
>   Consolidated
>   Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:59 PM
>   To: Listserv Triumph
>   Subject: [TR] Ruminations
>   
>    
>   
>   I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to  thinking.  Has 
> gas  ever been this low?
>   
>    
>   
>   An inflation calculator.
>   http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
>   tells me
>   that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27  in 1970, $0.57 
>  in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember  gas prices that 
>  low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas  war in the early  
> sixties and $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before  the first Arab  
> embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices were always a  lot higher.  In
>   2005 I remember paying north of $4.00 per on the west coast  or $4.88 today.
>   I was watching an old tv show (1977) and the station sign  said $0.609 or
>   $2.13 today.
>   
>    
>   
>   We must be doing something right.
>   
>    
>   
>   Ken Gano
>   
>   Sent from my iPad
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>   Message: 6
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:51:12 -0500
>   From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
>   To: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>,
>   'Listserv Triumph'
>       <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>   Message-ID: <567028E0.5050800@adelphia.net>
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>   
>   Joe,
>   
>   Another way to look at any price today is this way.
>   
>   Back when our currency was silver based and a quarter was  about 1/5th of  
> an oz AG, gas was anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well if  you were  smart 
> and saved all your dimes, quarters, half dollars and  silver  dollars you 
> could go down to your precious metal dealer and  sell them 5  quarters (1.25) 
> for about 13 to 14 dollars today. So a  quarter could get  you about 3$ good 
> for about 1.5 gallons up here in upstate  NY.  So if  you look at it that 
> way, gas is cheaper today than it was in  the 60's.
>   
>   Just goes to show you how much our $ has fallen in 50  years.
>   
>   Now, I was just in northern CA and drove on US 395 CA, and  US 95 Nevada  
> and I saw prices in the 4.50 to almost 5$ range. This was in  October.
>   Well over double what I saw on I 40 when I got into NM and  TX.
>   
>   Bob
>   
>   On 12/15/2015 01:18 AM, Joe Curry wrote:
>   >
>   > I can remember when I was in High School when the local  stations  > 
> regularly staged ?Gas Wars? and one time it got as low  as 5 cents a  > 
> gallon.  That would be equivalent to %0 cents per  gallon today.
>   >
>   > Joe
>   >
>   >
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>   >
>   > *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
>   *On Behalf Of
>   > *Home Consolidated
>   > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:59 PM  > *To:* Listserv Triumph  > 
> *Subject:* [TR] Ruminations  >  > I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently 
> which got me  to thinking.
>   >  Has gas ever been this low?
>   >
>   > An inflation calculator.
>   > http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
>   tells me
>   > that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962,
>   $0.27 in 1970,
>   > $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I  never remember gas  > 
> prices that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so  during a local gas  > war 
> in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right in  the early 70's,  > before 
> the first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems  like prices were  > always a 
> lot higher.  In 2005 I remember paying  north of $4.00 per on  > the west 
> coast or $4.88 today. I was watching an old tv  show (1977)  > and the 
> station sign said $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>   >
>   > We must be doing something right.
>   >
>   > Ken Gano
>   >
>   > Sent from my iPad
>   >
>   >
>   >
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>   Message: 7
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:20:21 -0500
>   From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
>   To: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
>   Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>   Message-ID:
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>   
>   Ken;
>   
>   I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of  an 'oil  
> shortage' which forced the price of gas to double and even  triple in a  
> matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab sheikdoms became  billionaires. Here we  
> are, forty years later and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT!
>   Now how can that
>   be??
>   
>   I'd like to asee a history graph showing the price of a  barrel of West  
> Texas crude vs. the price of a gallon of oil at any given  time? Last time  
> oil was $38.50/barrel, as it is now, how much was a gallon  of gas? Makes me  
> think that even if a barrel of oil was FREE, we'd still pay  at least $1.50  
> gallon, what with all the taxes, fees and whatnot (not to  mention dealing  
> with the ethanol we didn't ask for).
>   
>   Dave
>   
>   On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Home Consolidated <  
> triumphs@consolidated.net>
>   wrote:
>   
>   > I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me  to thinking.  Has  
> > gas ever been this low?
>   >
>   > An inflation calculator.
>   > http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
>   tells
>   > me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in  1962, $0.27 in 1970,  
> > $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I  never remember gas  > 
> prices that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so  during a local gas war  > 
> in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right in the  early 70's, before  > 
> the first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems like  prices were always a  > 
> lot higher.  In 2005 I remember paying north of
>   $4.00 per on the west coast
>   > or $4.88 today. I was watching an old tv show (1977)  and the station 
> sign  > said $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>   >
>   > We must be doing something right.
>   >
>   > Ken Gano
>   >
>   > Sent from my iPad
>   >
>   >
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>   Message: 8
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:52:54 -0000
>   From: "John Macartney" <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
>   To: "'Triumph List'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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>   
>   On the UK lunchtime news today, we were told that inflation  is now half of 
> one percent over the last year - and everyone  is rejoicing at the price of 
> oil at $38 a barrel. Even more  rejoicing that gas is now cheaper than it was 
> per litre in  2005. Still means a gallon here is rocking out at $6.80 :)  
> Blessings come with strange complexions...
>   
>   Jonmac
>   
>   
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>   Message: 9
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:00:00 -0500
>   From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
>   To: triumphs@consolidated.net,
>   triumphs@autox.team.net
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>   Message-ID: <151a6959645-5fcc-152f2@webprd-m47.mail.aol.com>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>   
>   Sure, but I think the $1.60 is an outlier.  Looking at  the GasBuddy site 
> the average price over the last 10 years  has been more like $2.80.  That 
> would be equivalent to
>   $0.36 in 1962, $0.46 in 1970, $0.97 in 1980, $1.54 in 1990  and $2.03 in 
> 2000.  Projections are for crude to stay  low for a while but that may turn 
> out to be a year or  two.  Many producers can't make money at the current  
> rate for crude.
>    
>   
>   Dave Massey
>   
>   
>    
>   
>    
>   
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
>   To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 10:59 pm
>   Subject: [TR] Ruminations
>   
>   
>   
>   I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to  thinking.  Has 
> gas ever been this low?
>   
>   
>   An inflation calculator. 
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
>   tells me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in  1962, $0.27 in 
> 1970, $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18  in 2000. I never remember gas 
> prices that low. I remember
>   $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early  sixties and 
> $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before  the first Arab embargo, but 
> otherwise it seems like prices  were always a lot higher.  In 2005 I remember 
> paying  north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was  watching 
> an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
>   $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>   
>   
>   We must be doing something right.
>   
>   
>   Ken Gano
>   
>   
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>   Message: 10
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:02:35 -0500
>   From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
>   To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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>   Yeah, and another way to look at it is back when Microsoft  stock was $21 
> and hadn't split yet...
>   
>   No, a more accurate way to look at it is how many hours do  you have to 
> work at McDonald's to fill your tank?
>   
>   
>   Dave Massey
>   
>   
>    
>   
>    
>   
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
>   To: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>;
>   'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:00 am
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>   
>   
>       
>   Joe,
>         
>         Another way to look at any price today  is this way.
>         
>         Back when our currency was silver based  and a quarter was about      
> 1/5th of an oz  AG, gas was anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well
>       if you were smart and saved all your dimes,  quarters, half dollars     
>  and silver  dollars you could go down to your precious metal  dealer      
> and sell them 5 quarters (1.25)  for about 13 to 14 dollars today.      So a  
> quarter could get you about 3$ good for about 1.5 gallons  up      here in 
> upstate NY.  So if you  look at it that way, gas is cheaper  today than it 
> was in the 60's.
>         
>         Just goes to show you how much our $  has fallen in 50 years.
>         
>         Now, I was just in northern CA and  drove on US 395 CA, and US 95     
>  Nevada and  I saw prices in the 4.50 to almost 5$ range. This was
>       in October. Well over double what I saw on I
>   40 when I got into NM      and TX.
>         
>         Bob
>         
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>   Message: 11
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:08:19 -0500
>   From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
>   To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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>   Even if crude was free there are still expenses relating to  
> transportation, refining, distribution, retailing,  etc.  Those are costs 
> that are not proportional to the  price of crude.  Just because the price of 
> crude has  dropped in half (or doubles) don't expect pump prices to  change 
> that dramatically.
>   
>    
>   
>   Dave Massey
>   
>   
>    
>   
>    
>   
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
>   To: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
>   Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:56 am
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>   
>   
>   
>   Ken;
>   
>   
>   I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of  an 'oil 
> shortage' which forced the price of gas to double  and even triple in a 
> matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab  sheikdoms became billionaires. Here we 
> are, forty years  later and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT! Now how can that  
> be??
>   
>   
>   I'd like to asee a history graph showing the price of a  barrel of West 
> Texas crude vs. the price of a gallon of oil  at any given time? Last time 
> oil was $38.50/barrel, as it is  now, how much was a gallon of gas? Makes me 
> think that even  if a barrel of oil was FREE, we'd still pay at least $1.50  
> gallon, what with all the taxes, fees and whatnot (not to  mention dealing 
> with the ethanol we didn't ask for).
>    
>   
>   Dave
>   
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>   Message: 12
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:33:22 -0800
>   From: "Randall" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
>   To: "'David Friedlander'" <forzion7@gmail.com>,  "'Home Consolidated'"
>       <triumphs@consolidated.net>
>   Cc: 'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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>   
>   > I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were  told of  > an 'oil 
> shortage' which forced the price of gas to  double and  > even triple in a 
> matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab  > sheikdoms became billionaires. Here 
> we are, forty years  later  > and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT! Now how can 
> that  be??
>   
>   Until the 73 oil embargo, there were government controls on  the wholesale 
> price of gasoline.  Evidence suggests (to
>   me) that the 73
>   shortage was engineered by the oil companies, in order to  break the price 
> controls.  Supposedly there were tanker  trucks lined up  for miles outside 
> the tank farms, because the tank farms  were full!  As I recall, some 
> industry exec even got  quoted as saying we  could have all the gasoline we 
> wanted, for $2/gallon.
>   
>   The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is  that the oil 
> companies have learned a LOT more since then on  how to  squeeze more oil out 
> of the ground (steam injection, oil  shale, fracking, etc) plus how to 
> squeeze more gasoline from  a barrel of  crude.  High prices no doubt played 
> a part in their  investments in those technologies.
>   
>   There's also the problem that it takes many years between  going out to 
> hunt for more oil; and actually producing fuel  from that oil.
>   It's a big, complicated, expensive (and dangerous) business,  especially 
> for off-shore oil.  When prices go up,  exploration goes way  up.  Then when 
> all those new wells start producing,  there is an over-supply and prices 
> drop.  Eventually  the wells get shut down  because they are too expensive to 
> run (when compared to the  glut prices) and the cycle repeats.
>   
>   Back in the early 80's, I worked for a company that supplied  custom 
> computer navigation systems to the oil industry,  among others.
>   When oil prices were up, we always got a bunch of orders,  for systems that 
> would be multiple millions of dollars in  today's money.
>   Peanuts really, when compared to the costs of running an oil  exploration 
> ship.  (I was once told that operating  costs for the RV  Shell America were 
> around $10,000 PER HOUR.)  When oil  prices collapsed in 1986, my company 
> withdrew from that  market (closed the  division), as there were simply no 
> more orders coming in at  all.  (Fortunately, they had lots of other work, so 
> I  just changed
>   projects.)
>   
>   Don't get too complacent.  The oil boom/bust cycle is  not dead and prices 
> WILL go back up.  I have no doubt  we'll be paying close to  $5/gallon again. 
>  It's only a question of when  
> http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/100615/will-oil-prices-go-2017.asp
>   
>   Randall
>   
>   
>   
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>   Message: 13
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:44:10 -0500
>   From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
>   Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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>   On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
>   wrote:
>   > The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them  is that the oil 
> companies have learned a LOT more since then  on how to  > squeeze more oil 
> out of the ground (steam injection,  oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to 
> squeeze more gasoline  from a barrel of  > crude.
>   
>   Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per  mile.  I'm not  
> sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled?
>   tripled?
>   
>   
>   Jeff Scarbrough
>   Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>   
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>   Message: 14
>   Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:58:51 -0500
>   From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
>   To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>,  Triumphs List
>       <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>   Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>   Message-ID: <567062EB.4080701@adelphia.net>
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>   
>   Jeff,
>   
>   Not so sure I agree.
>   
>   I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter TR3 in the  past.  87MM upgrade  but 
> with the stock 4sp transmission.
>   WIth OD, I am sure many have done better.
>   
>   I average about 25MPG on all my Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just  driving to  
> car hops etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's  4cyl Camry  just 
> averaged about 35MPG on our trip out West. That is real  good, but  hardly 
> twice my 4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc  with many  computers 
> running the show and a 6 speed transmission. The  only computer  available 
> when I drive a Triumph is in my pocket!
>   
>   The Camry is heavier I am sure and that engine will last for  many more  
> miles but mileage has not improved as much as one would  expect. I  suspect 
> some of the problem is alcohol and less bang for the  buck in the  power in 
> todays fuels.
>   
>   Bob
>   
>     On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>   > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
>   wrote:
>   >> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among  them is that the oil 
> companies have learned a LOT more since  then on how to  >> squeeze more oil 
> out of the ground (steam  injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to 
> squeeze  more gasoline from a barrel of  >> crude.
>   > Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per  mile.  I'm not  
> > sure how that number has changed over the  years...doubled? tripled?
>   >
>   >
>   > Jeff Scarbrough
>   > Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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