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John,
Do you mean StagByTriumph Garage operated by Glenn Merrell, aka =
StagByTriumph?
Maybe.
Here is the scoop:
First there are several types of clips and fittings. Some suppliers get =
it wrong with their =E2=80=9Ckits=E2=80=9D, combining the wrong parts or =
not asking the customer the correct questions first.
Another factor is of course the Dreaded Previous Mechanic, Dreaded =
Previous Owner, Dreaded Previous Dealer who may have changed or applied =
the incorrect parts in a repair.
=20
The hardtop upper brightwork trim812219 original plastic clips 625953 =
are a two part system. Some hardtops have had these replaced with metal =
clips and pop rivets. Going to metal created problems as it deformed =
the trim and nicked the paintwork metal and allowed corrosion and rust =
to quickly set in.
http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=3Dviewproduct&pid=3D239&cat=3D53&=
maincat=3D9&start=3D0&sid=3Dsid25d6421f0fba01e2271bf48408436403
1. There is a plastic plug with a hole in the center that gets =
pushed into the drilled hole in the metal.
2. The second part is the tabbed plastic with a plastic round =
post to match with the hole plug
The tabbed portion is twisted into the metal trim piece. These allow =
the tabbed piece to be slid to position with the plug. =20
=20
The other trim pieces 813775/6 at the windows are metal clips 630881 for =
the sides; There are two different size holes for these clips. It is =
not like BL produced a hundred thousand Hard Tops for Stags, but they =
did build many other models and marques using the same trims and clips.
http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=3Dviewproduct&pid=3D586&cat=3D53&=
maincat=3D9&start=3D0&sid=3Dsid25d6421f0fba01e2271bf48408436403
Note there should also be a plastic gasket 622663 & 623720 under the =
edge of the hardtop metal edge that was once held in place by the trim =
clips holding the brightwork below the hard top side and rear windows. =
This plastic =E2=80=9CJ=E2=80=9D shaped strip trapped water and caused =
the hardtop edge under the rear windows to rot =E2=80=93 there was a =
rolled seam there.
=20
I will guess that supplier of the clips for that kit did not ask which =
size holes =E2=80=93 typically 7/64=E2=80=9D for the side brightwork, or =
the picker grabbed the wrong pop rivets.
=20
This is why I recommend LDPart.co.uk for things like this on Stags. =
Peter Howells knows the subtle differences and pays careful attention to =
these details.
=20
In North America, if you have a good parts counter person at a good =
parts supplier such as NAPA, they will grab the clips catalogue and a =
caliper if they cannot locate it in their extensive database online and =
find the exact clip you need. The various coachwork companies used =
standard brightwork trim and clips across many auto manufacturers, =
certainly since GM and Ford both owned manufacturing and assembly plants =
in the UK producing vehicles like Vauxhall, Reliant, Cortina, Capri, JLR =
etc using the same dimension trims and clips from those eras.
=20
For any clip for any LBC, Check the UK company Bresco, =
http://www.bresco.com =E2=80=93 chances are they got clips to fit any =
trim on any of your LBC=E2=80=99s, just be exact on your measurements =
because clips can look the same but be different in a dimension by a =
fraction of an inch or mm. They have the plastic two piece hardtop =
system as used on Jaguars / BL / Rover Triumph, and the metal clip =
pieces for the other areas on the vehicle for the attaching the =
brightwork. Pop rivets, buy those at your local hardware store.
=20
Cheers!
=20
Glenn Merrell =20
aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)
Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone =
chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the =
occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D
=20
=20
=20
From: John Macartney [mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk]=20
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:55 AM
To: controls@freelanceconsulting.net
Subject: FW: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question
=20
One for The Stag Garage perhaps? J Maybe a BFH and a box of nails?
=20
J
=20
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Chad
Sent: 21 March 2016 12:43
To: Patrick Baize <pbaize@satx.rr.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question
=20
I am having similar issues wit the side trim below the side windows. I =
bought the trim clips and rivits listed....no way I can figure out how =
to make them work. My top had plastic clips on it but they rotted and =
cracked.
=20
Chad in Tulsa
71 Stag.
=20
_____ =20
From: Patrick Baize <pbaize@satx.rr.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:44 PM
Subject: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question
was there a difference in clips that held the lower rear trim in place=20
between a Mk1 and 2?
I bought the clip kit, and it uses 1/8 rivots, but the holes in the=20
top are twice as large.
Pat
71 Stag
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Do you mean StagByTriumph Garage operated by Glenn Merrell, aka =
StagByTriumph?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Maybe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Here is the scoop:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>First there are several types of clips and fittings.=C2=A0 Some =
suppliers get it wrong with their =E2=80=9Ckits=E2=80=9D, combining the =
wrong parts or not asking the customer the correct questions =
first.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Another factor is of course the Dreaded Previous Mechanic, Dreaded =
Previous Owner, Dreaded Previous Dealer who may have changed or applied =
the incorrect parts in a repair.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The hardtop upper brightwork =C2=A0trim812219 =C2=A0original plastic =
clips 625953 are a two part system. Some hardtops have had these =
replaced with metal clips and pop rivets.=C2=A0 Going to metal created =
=C2=A0problems as it deformed the trim and nicked the paintwork metal =
and allowed corrosion and rust to quickly set =
in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=3Dviewproduct&pid=3D239&am=
p;cat=3D53&maincat=3D9&start=3D0&sid=3Dsid25d6421f0fba01e2271=
bf48408436403<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>There is a plastic plug with a hole in the center that gets pushed =
into the drilled hole in the metal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The second part is the tabbed plastic =C2=A0with a plastic round post =
to match with the hole plug<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The tabbed portion =C2=A0is twisted into the metal trim piece.=C2=A0 =
These allow the tabbed piece to be slid to position with the plug.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The other trim pieces 813775/6 at the windows are metal clips 630881 =
for the sides;=C2=A0 There are two different size holes for these =
clips.=C2=A0 It is not like BL produced a hundred thousand Hard Tops for =
Stags, but they did build many other models and marques using the same =
trims and clips.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=3Dviewproduct&pid=3D586&am=
p;cat=3D53&maincat=3D9&start=3D0&sid=3Dsid25d6421f0fba01e2271=
bf48408436403<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Note there should also be a plastic gasket 622663 =C2=A0& 623720 =
under the edge of the hardtop metal edge that was once held in place by =
the trim clips holding the brightwork below the hard top side and rear =
windows.=C2=A0 This plastic =E2=80=9CJ=E2=80=9D shaped strip trapped =
water and caused the hardtop edge under the rear windows to rot =
=E2=80=93 there was a rolled seam there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I will guess that supplier of the clips for that kit did not ask =
which size holes =E2=80=93 typically 7/64=E2=80=9D for the side =
brightwork, or the picker grabbed the wrong pop =
rivets.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This is why I recommend LDPart.co.uk for things like this on =
Stags.=C2=A0 Peter Howells knows the subtle differences and pays careful =
attention to these details.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In North America, if you have a good parts counter person at a good =
parts supplier such as NAPA, they will grab the clips catalogue and a =
caliper if they cannot locate it in their extensive database online and =
find the exact clip you need.=C2=A0 The various coachwork companies used =
standard brightwork trim and clips across many auto manufacturers, =
certainly since GM and Ford both owned manufacturing and assembly plants =
in the UK producing vehicles like Vauxhall, Reliant, Cortina, Capri, JLR =
etc using the same dimension trims and clips from those =
eras.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>For any clip for any LBC, Check the UK company Bresco, =C2=A0<a =
href=3D"http://www.bresco.com";>http://www.bresco.com</a> =E2=80=93 =
chances are they got clips to fit any trim on any of your LBC=E2=80=99s, =
just be exact on your measurements because clips can look the same but =
be different in a dimension by a fraction of an inch or mm.=C2=A0 They =
have the plastic two piece hardtop system as used on Jaguars / BL / =
Rover Triumph, and the metal clip pieces for the other areas on the =
vehicle for the attaching the brightwork.=C2=A0 Pop rivets, buy those at =
your local hardware store.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Glenn Merrell=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>aka StagByTriumph Garage (<i>now on =
FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; =
Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with =
the occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
John Macartney [mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Monday, March 21, 2016 6:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
controls@freelanceconsulting.net<br><b>Subject:</b> FW: [TR] Stag =
hardtop trim question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>One for The Stag Garage perhaps? </span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> Maybe a BFH and a box of nails?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>J<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Triumphs =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chad<br><b>Sent:</b> 21 March =
2016 12:43<br><b>To:</b> Patrick Baize <<a =
href=3D"mailto:pbaize@satx.rr.com";>pbaize@satx.rr.com</a>>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Stag hardtop trim =
question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>I am having similar issues wit the side trim below the side =
windows. I bought the trim clips and rivits listed....no way I can =
figure out how to make them work. My top had plastic clips on it =
but they rotted and cracked.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8351"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8352"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>Chad in Tulsa<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8353"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>71 Stag.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8362"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8361"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8360"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8359"><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center;background:white'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
hr size=3D1 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><b =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> =
Patrick Baize <<a =
href=3D"mailto:pbaize@satx.rr.com";>pbaize@satx.rr.com</a>><br><b>To:</=
b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a> =
<br><b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8364">Sent:</b> Sunday, =
March 20, 2016 6:44 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Stag hardtop trim =
question</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym18_1_1458563501992_8365"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>was there =
a difference in clips that held the lower rear trim in place <br>between =
a Mk1 and 2?<br><br>I bought the clip kit, and it uses =
1/8 rivots, but the holes in the <br>top are twice as =
large.<br><br>Pat<br>71 Stag<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
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