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Re: [TR] Setting valves Procedure

To: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Setting valves Procedure
From: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:24:48 +0000 (GMT) MailServer1817B38.10000-1817B-0-9a6a56287ec5
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I'm running the billet harmonic balancer crank pulley, skinny belts and an=
 electric fan - so no hand crank. =C2=A0I use a spanner on the bolt holdin=
g the pulley on to the crank. =C2=A0To make it easier, I bought this ratch=
eting box wrench that has a pivot head.=0A=0Ahttps://www.amazon.com/gp/pro=
duct/B01F511ZMA/ref=3Doh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1=0A=0AI c=
an get about half the box over the bolt, but that's enough, and with the p=
lugs out I can rotate the engine pretty=C2=A0easily and efficiently.=0A=0A=
Rye=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 19, 2018, at 07:38 AM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmail=
.com> wrote:=0A=0ANote that there is a typo in those Haynes instructions..=
. the 4th line down under check & adjust should be 'Valve No, 2'.=0A=0A=0A=
=0AThe chart does make the 'Rule of 9' quite apparent.=0A=0AIf you have a =
hand crank it greatly simplifies the process.=0A=0AProbably mentioned some=
where but having the plugs out is also helpful.=0A=0AGeo=0A=0AOn Tue, Sep =
18, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote:=0APaul,=0A=0AThe=
 instructions in the manual are easier to follow, but yeah, pretty much th=
e same.=C2=A0 I went into my garage and snapped a photo of the instruction=
s in the Haynes Manual that I follow.=0A=0ARye=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 18, 2018, at=
 07:53 PM, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0ARYE, is your metho=
d of adjusting valves consistent with Alex=E2=80=99s? I suspect they are t=
he same=0A=0AOn Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:56 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <aljltho=
mson@charter.net> wrote:=0AExcept for small, air-cooled engines that may h=
ave an automatic compression release mechanism built into the cam shaft (e=
ither in the cam grind or as a centrifugal device), I always taught my sho=
p students that you can never go wrong by bringing each cylinder up to TDC=
-compression and then adjust the valves for that cylinder. There are often=
 a variety of short-cuts where a manufacturer will tell you to adjust cert=
ain valves at TDC - Compression of #1 cylinder and then the rest of them a=
t TDC =E2=80=93 Exhaust #1 cylinder but those are engine specific. Most 4 =
cylinder engines have a firing order of 1-3-4-2, so if you see =E2=80=9Cva=
lve rock=E2=80=9D (exhaust closing, intake opening) on # 1 cylinder, you k=
now that #4 is at TDC =E2=80=93 compression and its valves can be adjusted=
. Then, turn the crankshaft a half turn ( total number of cylinders divide=
d by 2), and adjust the next cylinder in the firing order which would be #=
2. Then 1. Then 3.=C2=A0 Distributor rotor position on a gas engine will h=
elp you figure out who is at TDC =E2=80=93 compression. Diesels don=E2=80=99=
t have that option, other than pump timing marks for #1 cylinder. Look in =
your shop manual for details.=0A=C2=A0=0AAlex Thomson=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: Tri=
umphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Dorsey=0A=
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:33 PM=0ATo: Triumph list Team.net=0ASu=
bject: [TR] Setting valves Procedure=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0Is there a universal=
ly excepted method by which to =C2=A0adjust the =C2=A0valves for A =C2=A0T=
R three? I know when I asked about this =C2=A0before that Randall sent me =
a link to a bunch of articles but I don=E2=80=99t think any of them =C2=A0=
concern setting The valves.=C2=A0 Where can I learn to do this?=0A=C2=A0=0A=
Thanks, Paul Dorsey TR three 1960=0A** triumphs@autox.team.net **=0A=0ADon=
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<html><body><div>I'm running the billet harmonic balancer crank pulley, skinny 
belts a=
nd an electric fan - so no hand crank. &nbsp;I use a spanner on the bolt h=
olding the pulley on to the crank. &nbsp;To make it easier, I bought this =
ratcheting box wrench that has a pivot head.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D=
"1"></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F511ZMA/ref=
=3Doh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1">https://www.amazon.com=
/gp/product/B01F511ZMA/ref=3Doh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D=
1</a></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>I can get about half t=
he box over the bolt, but that's enough, and with the plugs out I can rota=
te the engine pretty&nbsp;easily and efficiently.</div><div><br></div><div=
 class=3D"x-apple-signature">Rye<br><br></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signat=
ure"><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signature"><br d=
ata-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br>On Sep 19, 2018, at 07:38 AM, Geo Hahn =
&lt;ahwahneetr@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">Note that there is a typo =
in those Haynes instructions... the 4th line down under check &amp; adjust=
 should be 'Valve No,<b> 2</b>'.<div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>The chart does make the 'Rule of 9' quite apparent.</div><div=
><br></div><div>If you have a hand crank it greatly simplifies the process=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Probably mentioned somewhere but having the plu=
gs out is also helpful.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018=
 at 8:07 PM, Rye Livingston <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ryel@m=
ac.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com";>ryel@mac.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; b=
order-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: =
0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>Pau=
l,</div><div><br></div><div>The instructions in the manual are easier to f=
ollow, but yeah, pretty much the same.&nbsp; I went into my garage and sna=
pped a photo of the instructions in the Haynes Manual that I follow.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Rye</div><div><br></div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"><b=
r>On Sep 18, 2018, at 07:53 PM, Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1=
@gmail.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com";>dorpaul1@gmail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div></div></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv class=3D"m_-3415474314516045236msg-quote"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><=
div dir=3D"auto">RYE, is your method of adjusting valves consistent with A=
lex=E2=80=99s? I suspect they are the same</div></div><div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:56 PM Alex &amp; =
Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; data-mce-href=
=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net";>aljlthomson@charter.net</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; b=
order-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: =
0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang=3D"=
EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-3415474314516045236m_6484643244353851995WordSectio=
n1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-ser=
if'; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif=
'; color: #1f497d;">Except for small, air-cooled engines that may have an =
automatic compression release mechanism built into the cam shaft (either i=
n the cam grind or as a centrifugal device), I always taught my shop stude=
nts that you can never go wrong by bringing each cylinder up to TDC-compre=
ssion and then adjust the valves for that cylinder. There are often a vari=
ety of short-cuts where a manufacturer will tell you to adjust certain val=
ves at TDC - Compression of #1 cylinder and then the rest of them at TDC =E2=
=80=93 Exhaust #1 cylinder but those are engine specific. Most 4 cylinder =
engines have a firing order of 1-3-4-2, so if you see =E2=80=9Cvalve rock=E2=
=80=9D (exhaust closing, intake opening) on # 1 cylinder, you know that #4=
 is at TDC =E2=80=93 compression and its valves can be adjusted. Then, tur=
n the crankshaft a half turn ( total number of cylinders divided by 2), an=
d adjust the next cylinder in the firing order which would be #2. Then 1. =
Then 3.&nbsp; Distributor rotor position on a gas engine will help you fig=
ure out who is at TDC =E2=80=93 compression. Diesels don=E2=80=99t have th=
at option, other than pump timing marks for #1 cylinder. Look in your shop=
 manual for details.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><u></u>&nbsp;=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Cali=
bri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Calibr=
i','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Alex Thomson<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; co=
lor: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; colo=
r: #1f497d;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" data-mc=
e-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</=
span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-ser=
if';" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-ser=
if';"> Triumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"=
 data-mce-href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces=
@<wbr>autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Dorsey<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Triumph list <a href=3D"=
http://Team.net"; data-mce-href=3D"http://Team.net";>Team.net</a><br><b>Subj=
ect:</b> [TR] Setting valves Procedure<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div=
><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-3415474314516045236m_648464324435385=
1995WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;Is there a universally excepted method by which t=
o &nbsp;adjust the &nbsp;valves for A &nbsp;TR three? I know when I asked =
about this &nbsp;before that Randall sent me a link to a bunch of articles=
 but I don=E2=80=99t think any of them &nbsp;concern setting The valves.&n=
bsp; Where can I learn to do this?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Than=
ks, Paul Dorsey TR three 1960<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockqu=
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