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I don't have that option, live on a mountain and do work in my garage that=
is level.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 19, 2018, at 11:59 AM, David P <frogeye@po=
rterscustom.com> wrote:=0A=0Alevel ground, 4th gear, push it... easy.. no =
tools.=0A=0AOn 9/19/2018 9:24 AM, Rye Livingston wrote:=0AI'm running the =
billet harmonic balancer crank pulley, skinny belts and an electric fan - =
so no hand crank. =C2=A0I use a spanner on the bolt holding the pulley on =
to the crank. =C2=A0To make it easier, I bought this ratcheting box wrench=
that has a pivot head.=0A=0Ahttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F511ZMA/=
ref=3Doh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1=0A=0AI can get about hal=
f the box over the bolt, but that's enough, and with the plugs out I can r=
otate the engine pretty=C2=A0easily and efficiently.=0A=0ARye=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=
On Sep 19, 2018, at 07:38 AM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A=
Note that there is a typo in those Haynes instructions... the 4th line dow=
n under check & adjust should be 'Valve No, 2'.=0A=0A=0A=0AThe chart does =
make the 'Rule of 9' quite apparent.=0A=0AIf you have a hand crank it grea=
tly simplifies the process.=0A=0AProbably mentioned somewhere but having t=
he plugs out is also helpful.=0A=0AGeo=0A=0AOn Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:07 P=
M, Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote:=0APaul,=0A=0AThe instructions in t=
he manual are easier to follow, but yeah, pretty much the same.=C2=A0 I we=
nt into my garage and snapped a photo of the instructions in the Haynes Ma=
nual that I follow.=0A=0ARye=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 18, 2018, at 07:53 PM, Paul Do=
rsey <dorpaul1@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0ARYE, is your method of adjusting val=
ves consistent with Alex=E2=80=99s? I suspect they are the same=0A=0AOn Tu=
e, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:56 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net> =
wrote:=0AExcept for small, air-cooled engines that may have an automatic c=
ompression release mechanism built into the cam shaft (either in the cam g=
rind or as a centrifugal device), I always taught my shop students that yo=
u can never go wrong by bringing each cylinder up to TDC-compression and t=
hen adjust the valves for that cylinder. There are often a variety of shor=
t-cuts where a manufacturer will tell you to adjust certain valves at TDC =
- Compression of #1 cylinder and then the rest of them at TDC =E2=80=93 Ex=
haust #1 cylinder but those are engine specific. Most 4 cylinder engines h=
ave a firing order of 1-3-4-2, so if you see =E2=80=9Cvalve rock=E2=80=9D =
(exhaust closing, intake opening) on # 1 cylinder, you know that #4 is at =
TDC =E2=80=93 compression and its valves can be adjusted. Then, turn the c=
rankshaft a half turn ( total number of cylinders divided by 2), and adjus=
t the next cylinder in the firing order which would be #2. Then 1. Then 3.=
=C2=A0 Distributor rotor position on a gas engine will help you figure out=
who is at TDC =E2=80=93 compression. Diesels don=E2=80=99t have that opti=
on, other than pump timing marks for #1 cylinder. Look in your shop manual=
for details.=0A=C2=A0=0AAlex Thomson=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: Triumphs [mailto:tr=
iumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Dorsey=0ASent: Tuesday, S=
eptember 18, 2018 6:33 PM=0ATo: Triumph list Team.net=0ASubject: [TR] Sett=
ing valves Procedure=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0Is there a universally excepted meth=
od by which to =C2=A0adjust the =C2=A0valves for A =C2=A0TR three? I know =
when I asked about this =C2=A0before that Randall sent me a link to a bunc=
h of articles but I don=E2=80=99t think any of them =C2=A0concern setting =
The valves.=C2=A0 Where can I learn to do this?=0A=C2=A0=0AThanks, Paul Do=
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<html><body><div>I don't have that option, live on a mountain and do work in my
garage=
that is level.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce=
-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br>On Sep 19,=
2018, at 11:59 AM, David P <frogeye@porterscustom.com> wrote:<br><b=
r></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote" text=3D"#0=
00000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p>level ground, 4th gear, push it... easy.. no=
tools.<br></p><br><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 9/19/2018 9:24 AM, Ry=
e Livingston wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>I'm running th=
e billet harmonic balancer crank pulley, skinny belts and an electric fan =
- so no hand crank. I use a spanner on the bolt holding the pulley o=
n to the crank. To make it easier, I bought this ratcheting box wren=
ch that has a pivot head.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.=
amazon.com/gp/product/B01F511ZMA/ref=3Doh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=3DUTF8=
&psc=3D1" data-mce-href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F511ZM=
A/ref=3Doh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1">https://www.amazo=
n.com/gp/product/B01F511ZMA/ref=3Doh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=3DUTF8&=
psc=3D1</a></div><div><br></div><div>I can get about half the box over the=
bolt, but that's enough, and with the plugs out I can rotate the engine p=
retty easily and efficiently.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"x-app=
le-signature">Rye<br> <br></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signature"><br></div=
><div class=3D"x-apple-signature"><br></div><div><br> On Sep 19, 2018, at =
07:38 AM, Geo Hahn <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:ahwah=
neetr@gmail.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com";><ahwahne=
etr@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br> <br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div class=3D"msg-quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">Note that there is a typo in tho=
se Haynes instructions... the 4th line down under check & adjust shoul=
d be 'Valve No,<b> 2</b>'.<div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>The chart does make the 'Rule of 9' quite apparent.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>If you have a hand crank it greatly simplifies the process.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Probably mentioned somewhere but having the plugs out=
is also helpful.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:=
07 PM, Rye Livingston <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com=
" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com";>ryel@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 =
.8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D=
"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding=
-left: 1ex;"><div><div>Paul,</div><div><br></div><div>The instructions in =
the manual are easier to follow, but yeah, pretty much the same. I w=
ent into my garage and snapped a photo of the instructions in the Haynes M=
anual that I follow.</div><div><br></div><div>Rye</div><div><br></div><div=
><div><div class=3D"h5"><br> On Sep 18, 2018, at 07:53 PM, Paul Dorsey <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1@gm=
ail.com">dorpaul1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br></div></div></div><div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"m_-3415474314516045236msg-quote"><=
div><div class=3D"h5"><div><div dir=3D"auto">RYE, is your method of adjust=
ing valves consistent with Alex=E2=80=99s? I suspect they are the same</di=
v></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Sep 1=
8, 2018 at 8:56 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthom=
son@charter.net" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net";>aljlthom=
son@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1e=
x;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; pad=
ding-left: 1ex;"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-3415474314516045236m=
_6484643244353851995WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font=
-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Except for small, air-co=
oled engines that may have an automatic compression release mechanism buil=
t into the cam shaft (either in the cam grind or as a centrifugal device),=
I always taught my shop students that you can never go wrong by bringing =
each cylinder up to TDC-compression and then adjust the valves for that cy=
linder. There are often a variety of short-cuts where a manufacturer will =
tell you to adjust certain valves at TDC - Compression of #1 cylinder and =
then the rest of them at TDC =E2=80=93 Exhaust #1 cylinder but those are e=
ngine specific. Most 4 cylinder engines have a firing order of 1-3-4-2, so=
if you see =E2=80=9Cvalve rock=E2=80=9D (exhaust closing, intake opening)=
on # 1 cylinder, you know that #4 is at TDC =E2=80=93 compression and its=
valves can be adjusted. Then, turn the crankshaft a half turn ( total num=
ber of cylinders divided by 2), and adjust the next cylinder in the firing=
order which would be #2. Then 1. Then 3. Distributor rotor position=
on a gas engine will help you figure out who is at TDC =E2=80=93 compress=
ion. Diesels don=E2=80=99t have that option, other than pump timing marks =
for #1 cylinder. Look in your shop manual for details.</span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f=
497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f49=
7d;"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: '=
Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Ca=
libri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Alex Thomson</span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f49=
7d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d=
;"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs [mailto:=
<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto=
:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net">triumphs-bounces@<wbr>autox.team.net</a>=
] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Dorsey<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, =
2018 6:33 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Triumph list <a href=3D"http://Team.net"; data-=
mce-href=3D"http://Team.net";>Team.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [TR] Setting=
valves Procedure</span></p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"=
m_-3415474314516045236m_6484643244353851995WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"> </p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> Is there a universally e=
xcepted method by which to adjust the valves for A TR th=
ree? I know when I asked about this before that Randall sent me a li=
nk to a bunch of articles but I don=E2=80=99t think any of them conc=
ern setting The valves. Where can I learn to do this?</p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,=
Paul Dorsey TR three 1960</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><=
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