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This isn't simply wire. It's spring wire....
Doesn't it need to be hardened and tempered wire?
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 10:45 AM Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> The only that thing that matters is how much force it puts on the brushes.
> And you can adjust that after making the spring.
>
> Make it too long to begin with, then trim to length. If that's too weak,
> trim another turn. If that's too strong, spread one of the coils a bit.
>
> If what you make the first time won't do, change wire size and do it
> again. Only takes a minute once you've got the setup.
>
> This is 18th century technology, not rocket science.
> -- Randall
>
> On 6 October 2018 18:46:19 GMT-05:00, David Friedlander <
> forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Make a spring? So many variables in such an inexpensive part:
>> Wire gauge, pitch, overall length, etc....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:43 PM Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have successfully carved the " ears" from a scrap of PC board.
>>> Didn't lose the spring, but I suspect you could make a suitable
>>> substitute from the spring inside a retractable ball point pen.
>>>
>>> Or buy some spring wire and make one from scratch. I've done it in the
>>> lathe, but you could probably manage with a slow turning drill and a nail
>>> or similar for a mandrel. Its best not to try to hold the wire in your
>>> fingers, it can cut you pretty badly. So use a scrap if wood or similar to
>>> guide the wire as the drill turns.
>>> -- Randall
>>>
>>> On 6 October 2018 15:50:29 GMT-05:00, David Friedlander <
>>> forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey all;
>>>>
>>>> The wiper motor on my TR3A looked quite sad. I removed it and
>>>> proceeded to remover 60 years of crud, outside and in.
>>>>
>>>> In the process of cleaning the parts, I have misplaced the tiny
>>>> spring and the two tiny "ears" that hold spring to the two brush
>>>> "arms" that rest against the armature. [Moss P/N 554-030]
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, these parts are now NLA from any source I know of.
>>>> See item number 2 from the Moss illustration, below.
>>>>
>>>> Seems crazy to buy a replacement/salvage motor just to replace
>>>> a missing spring and retaining 'ears.' Ideas?
>>>>
>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help!!
>>>>
>>>> Dave Friedlander
>>>> '74 TR6
>>>> '59 TR3A
>>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">This isn't simply wire.=
It's spring wire....</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Doesn't i=
t need to be hardened and tempered wire?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 10:45 AM Randall <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com";>tr3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>The only that thing that matters is h=
ow much force it puts on the brushes. And you can adjust that after making =
the spring. <br><br>Make it too long to begin with, then trim to length. If=
that's too weak, trim another turn. If that's too strong, spread o=
ne of the coils a bit.<br><br>If what you make the first time won't do,=
change wire size and do it again. Only takes a minute once you've got =
the setup.<br><br>This is 18th century technology, not rocket science.<br>-=
- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 October 2018 18:46:19 GMT-=
05:00, David Friedlander <<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">forzion7@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Make a spring? So many vari=
ables in such an inexpensive part:=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099=
">Wire gauge, pitch, overall length, etc....</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#00=
0099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:43 PM Randall =
<<a href=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr3driver@ca.r=
r.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I have su=
ccessfully carved the " ears" from a scrap of PC board.<br>Didn&#=
39;t lose the spring, but I suspect you could make a suitable substitute fr=
om the spring inside a retractable ball point pen.<br><br>Or buy some sprin=
g wire and make one from scratch. I've done it in the lathe, but you co=
uld probably manage with a slow turning drill and a nail or similar for a m=
andrel. Its best not to try to hold the wire in your fingers, it can cut yo=
u pretty badly. So use a scrap if wood or similar to guide the wire as the =
drill turns.<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 October 2=
018 15:50:29 GMT-05:00, David Friedlander <<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">forzion7@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Hey all;</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">The wiper motor =
on my TR3A looked quite sad. I removed it and=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;co=
lor:#000099">proceeded to remover 60 years of crud, outside and in.</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">In =
the process of cleaning the parts, I have misplaced the tiny=C2=A0</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large;color:#000099">spring and the two tiny "ears" that h=
old spring to the two brush=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">&qu=
ot;arms" that rest against the armature. [Moss P/N 554-030]</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-=
size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Unfortun=
ately, these parts are now NLA from any source I know of.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:large;color:#000099">See item number 2 from the Moss illustration=
, below.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic=
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e;color:#000099">Seems crazy to buy a replacement/salvage motor just to rep=
lace=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">a missing spring and retaini=
ng 'ears.' Ideas?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><di=
v><img alt=3D"image.png" width=3D"482" height=3D"364"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
large;color:#000099">=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans=
-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Thanks for any help!!</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave Friedlan=
der</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">'74 TR6</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;co=
lor:#000099">'59 TR3A</div></div>
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