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Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I doubt t=
he majority of people at the factory did either:)
Cheers, John
Sent from my iPad
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx@aol.com> wrote:
>=20
> I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild dur=
ing restoration.
>=20
> I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack l=
ook for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours judging=
- and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or why=
they are there.=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
>> On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk=
> wrote:
>>=20
>> Jim
>> =20
>> In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings i=
n yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common id=
entifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked in en=
gine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to distingu=
ish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a Nor=
th America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many o=
thers have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they were=
. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting the block=
, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have e=
xtra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they wer=
en=E2=80=99t there.
>> =20
>> Cheers, Jonmac
>> =20
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henning=
sen
>> Sent: 17 January 2019 12:31
>> To: wbeech@flash.net
>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code
>> =20
>> Bill:
>> I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plu=
mb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the car. Th=
e trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match that would=
be acceptable to judges. My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a conco=
urs but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born. I am not interested i=
n trophies. Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found i=
t hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these c=
ars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that=
experts in TRA think correct. Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an e=
arly TR4at the last TRA event. Does anyone have any detailed photos of that=
car they could share. The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a=
great reputation. =20
>> Thanks so much,
>> Jim Henningsen
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.=20
>> Bill
>> =20
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh=
in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice b=
lue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D=
>> =20
>> I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.=20
>> =20
>> Cheers,
>> Bill
>>=20
>> Sent from my Motorola 8000X
>>=20
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter cani=
ster housings a few years ago.
>> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/
>> =20
>> Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about=
his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that=
S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied t=
han getting details "right" around shade.
>> =20
>> The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it s=
ubjects around our cars.
>> =20
>> Don
>> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
>> =20
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>> Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter=
canister housing. TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale g=
reen. Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop. Thanks to any co=
ncours experts out there.=20
>> Jim Henningsen=20
>> Ocala FL
>>=20
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thing is Jack, that this far down the track=
, no one knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the factory did e=
ither:)<div><br></div><div>Cheers, John<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature=
" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 17 Jan 2019, at=
17:50, Jack McGahey <<a href=3D"mailto:McGaheyRx@aol.com";>McGaheyRx@aol.=
com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I ha=
ve those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild during re=
storation.<div><br></div><div>I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say=
that neither VTR or 6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for their abs=
ence, during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say the=
y knew what they meant or why they are there. </div><div><br></div><div=
>Cheers,</div><div>Jack Mc<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr"=
>Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jo=
hn Macartney <<a href=3D"mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk";>john.macart=
ney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:EN-US">In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure mark=
ings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were com=
mon identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked=
in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to di=
stinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for=
a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know m=
any others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they=
were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting the b=
lock, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR ha=
ve extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they=
weren=E2=80=99t there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers, Jonmac<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:sol=
id #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Triumphs <<a href=3D"=
mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 12:31=
<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net";>wbeech@flash.net</a><br><=
b>Cc:</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@a=
utox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Bill:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the TRA judg=
ing guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restor=
ation going back to 2010 when I purchased the car. The trick is what t=
o tell the auto paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to=
judges. My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to f=
aithfully recreate the car as it was born. I am not interested in trop=
hies. Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it=
hard to get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these ca=
rs. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that e=
xperts in TRA think correct. Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had a=
n early TR4at the last TRA event. Does anyone have any detailed photos=
of that car they could share. The few I saw looked magnificent and th=
ey have such a great reputation. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Thanks so much,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jim Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><div id=3D"AppleM=
ailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 16, 201=
9, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net";>Wbeech@flash.net</a> <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net";>wbeech@flash.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my overs=
ight. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, <=
a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net";>Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:wbeech@flash.net">wbeech@flash.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthor=
ity=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe cani=
ster is painted ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green c=
aste with age.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> =
;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Vals=
par Peacock Blue. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Bill<o:p></o:p=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 8000X<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 1=
6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com=
">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject o=
f oil filter canister housings a few years ago.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic=
/44252-oil-filter-bowl/">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/top=
ic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note especially the=
comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with l=
ots of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more w=
orried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting details "r=
ight" around shade.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The thread has some useful in=
fo, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around our cars.<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">Don<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">196=
2 TR3B TSF202L<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:0=
1 PM James Henningsen <<a href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com";>trguy75@gmail=
.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;bor=
der-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;mar=
gin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyone have a source for correct paint=
color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing. TRA judging manu=
al says ice blue that patinas to a pale green. Looking for a color cod=
e I can give my paint shop. Thanks to any concours experts out t=
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