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Re: [TR] Spal Fan Installation

To: Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>, triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Spal Fan Installation
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:59:27 -0400 (EDT)
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Thanks, Randall.  I really like the idea of T'ing off the heater return.  Looks 
like 3/8ths but don't know for sure until I break it down.  Meanwhile, when I 
opened the Spal fan box, I see the thermostat switch failed to make it into the 
packaging.  Much to late to go to the dealer.  On Amazon I see a variety of 
thermo fan switches 185/195, but none seem rated very well.  Could be poor 
wiring, I suppose. 


Any recommendations on thermo fan switches?


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire where we're always complaining...bugs, mud, cold, freezing cold, 
icy cold, sleety cold, ...and now heat.

> On July 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>     I believe it could be done, but not with standard electronics.
> 
>     Most fan controls are looking for a contact closure, so obviously they 
> aren't going to work with a gauge sender.
> 
>     Even with a fan control that expects a variable resistance (like the 
> gauge does), it will "read" that resistance by passing a current through it, 
> and measuring the resulting voltage. The gauge does the same thing. But with 
> current from two sources, the voltage will be much higher, which will confuse 
> both fan and gauge.
> 
>     One way around that is to build your own fan controller that only looks 
> at voltage. Not hard to do, one IC, one transistor, and a handful of 
> resistors will do the job. But probably more than most want to tackle. It 
> also makes fan operation depend in the gauge, which might not be desirable.
> 
>     FWIW, since my car lacks the optional heater, it was easy to mount a fan 
> sensor in the heater return fitting on the water pump housing. Although I did 
> not try it, I believe you could put a tee in that hole, and connect both 
> heater return and fan sensor. Heater operation would affect the fan to some 
> extent, but I think not enough to matter.
>     -- Randall
> 
>     On 20 July 2019 11:08:18 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         I'm still researching this but thought I'd ask anyway.  I've a Spal 
> > pusher fan with a thermostat from years ago I never installed.  Deciding to 
> > install it because the 3 is running fine at thermostat temp on the road, 
> > but shortly after I shut down in this heat it barely starts again and runs 
> > rough until the float bowls clear. Letting the fan run after shut down 
> > ought to help keep the float bowls from overheating. 
> > 
> > 
> >         Awhile ago I installed SunPro electric temp guage and sending unit. 
> >  So question.  Can you use the same temp gauge sending unit as the temp 
> > sensor for the fan also?  The temp gauge sensor uses some sort of 
> > resistance affected by heat, I suppose, but whether the fan reads it the 
> > same as the gauge is puzzling.
> > 
> > 
> >         Thanks, everyone (again!)
> > 
> >         Terry Smith  '59 TR3A
> > 
> >         New Hampshire
> > 
> >     > 


 

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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans=
-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Thanks, Randall.&#160; I really like the i=
dea of T&#39;ing off the heater return.&#160; Looks like 3/8ths but don&#39=
;t know for sure until I break it down.&#160; Meanwhile, when I opened the =
Spal fan box, I see the thermostat switch failed to make it into the packag=
ing.&#160; Much to late to go to the dealer.&#160; On Amazon I see a variet=
y of thermo fan switches 185/195, but none seem rated very well.&#160; Coul=
d be poor wiring, I suppose.&#160; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; fon=
t-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rg=
b(51, 51, 51);">Any recommendations on thermo fan switches?<br></p><p style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51=
, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,ari=
al,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A<br></p><p=
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rgb(51, 51, 51);">New Hampshire where we&#39;re always complaining...bugs, =
mud, cold, freezing cold, icy cold, sleety cold, ...and now heat.<br></p><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On July 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM Randall &#60;tr3driver=
@ca.rr.com&#62; wrote: <br> <br>I believe it could be done, but not with st=
andard electronics. <br> <br>Most fan controls are looking for a contact cl=
osure, so obviously they aren&#39;t going to work with a gauge sender. <br>=
 <br>Even with a fan control that expects a variable resistance (like the g=
auge does), it will &#34;read&#34; that resistance by passing a current thr=
ough it, and measuring the resulting voltage. The gauge does the same thing=
. But with current from two sources, the voltage will be much higher, which=
 will confuse both fan and gauge. <br> <br>One way around that is to build =
your own fan controller that only looks at voltage. Not hard to do, one IC,=
 one transistor, and a handful of resistors will do the job. But probably m=
ore than most want to tackle. It also makes fan operation depend in the gau=
ge, which might not be desirable. <br> <br>FWIW, since my car lacks the opt=
ional heater, it was easy to mount a fan sensor in the heater return fittin=
g on the water pump housing. Although I did not try it, I believe you could=
 put a tee in that hole, and connect both heater return and fan sensor. Hea=
ter operation would affect the fan to some extent, but I think not enough t=
o matter. <br>-- Randall <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-71661db6d1-gmail_quote">=
On 20 July 2019 11:08:18 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH &#60;terryrs@comcast.net&#6=
2; wrote:<blockquote><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,ar=
ial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">I&#39;m still researching this but thought=
 I&#39;d ask anyway.&#160; I&#39;ve a Spal pusher fan with a thermostat fro=
m years ago I never installed.&#160; Deciding to install it because the 3 i=
s running fine at thermostat temp on the road, but shortly after I shut dow=
n in this heat it barely starts again and runs rough until the float bowls =
clear. Letting the fan run after shut down ought to help keep the float bow=
ls from overheating.&#160; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Awhile a=
go I installed SunPro electric temp guage and sending unit.&#160; So questi=
on.&#160; Can you use the same temp gauge sending unit as the temp sensor f=
or the fan also?&#160; The temp gauge sensor uses some sort of resistance a=
ffected by heat, I suppose, but whether the fan reads it the same as the ga=
uge is puzzling.<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica=
,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; fo=
nt-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Thanks, everyone (a=
gain!)<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,san=
s-serif; color: #333333;">Terry Smith&#160; &#39;59 TR3A<br></p><p style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"=
>New Hampshire<br></p></blockquote></div></blockquote><p style=3D"font-size=
: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class=3D"=
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