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Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr@rmi.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:31:34 -0500
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Paul, Did you do the megasquirt F.I. ?

Roger

On 8/31/19 11:51 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> Granted it's not the 2.5L, (a GT6 2L) but I (and a couple others here 
> as well) have F.I. triumph 6 cyls than run great!
> Even with a trailer in tow,?? 31-35 mpg, is my norm ...with my normal 
> heavy footed driving style. (hard not to have fun).
> No,,,not Lucas PI (on mine) but power numbers are well above anything 
> Triumph ever spec'ed.
>
> ptegler (owner/builder of FIS6)
>
>
> On 8/31/2019 11:51 AM, John Macartney wrote:
>> If all you want is an injected TR performance, I???d do this. Buy a 
>> us spec car.
>>
>> TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the 
>> original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a 
>> Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor 
>> exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you???re there. 
>> Ideally, if the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in the 
>> U.K. for a 215019 head. These didn???t go to the US but we???re the 
>> best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm this and he???s a Triumph 
>> performance specialist. Goes without saying you???ll need 
>> anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better imho. You???ll then have 
>> a car that is the injected versions performance equal in every way. 
>> These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s 
>> that find their way back here. Good luck
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is 
>> better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>
>> On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net 
>>
>>> Thanks, Jonmac:?? I don???t have the car yet ??? and in fact am 
>>> still going back-and-forth about whether to buy it.?? I???ll keep 
>>> you posted !
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> *From:*John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM
>>> *To:* Andrew Uprichard
>>> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Lucas PI
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course 
>>> and owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police 
>>> performance spec. Doubt you???ll find too many in the US with 
>>> experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in North America 
>>> in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since then. A 
>>> word of advice. If you???re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, 
>>> put everything you???ve learned about carbed cars entirely to one 
>>> side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very 
>>> unique rules. That said, it???s a great setup but you need to know 
>>> what you???re doing before you start:)
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> Jonmac
>>>
>>> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is 
>>> better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack 
>>>
>>>     Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?
>>>
>>>     ??
>>>
>>>     Andrew Uprichard
>>>
>>>     Jackson, Michigan
>>>
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    <p>Paul, Did you do the megasquirt F.I. ?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Roger<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/31/19 11:51 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:13efc10d-a303-63e2-eff7-c874f574d600@verizon.net">
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      <p>Granted it's not the 2.5L, (a GT6 2L) but I (and a couple
        others here as well) have F.I. triumph 6 cyls than run great!<br>
        Even with a trailer in tow,?? 31-35 mpg, is my norm ...with my
        normal heavy footed driving style. (hard not to have fun).<br>
        No,,,not Lucas PI (on mine) but power numbers are well above
        anything Triumph ever spec'ed.</p>
      <p>ptegler (owner/builder of FIS6)</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/31/2019 11:51 AM, John Macartney
        wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite"
        cite="mid:3D0DBD17-DEBD-439D-8094-10714FAAE165@Ukpips.org.uk">
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        If all you want is an injected TR performance, I???d do this.
        Buy a us spec car.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too
          than the original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat
          top pistons, a Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the
          SAH 6-3-1 extractor exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and
          bingo, you???re there. Ideally, if the donor car is a late
          model 6, email Chris Witor in the U.K. for a 215019 head.
          These didn???t go to the US but we???re the best heads of the
          lot. Chris will confirm this and he???s a Triumph performance
          specialist. Goes without saying you???ll need anoverdrive. J
          type is ok but A type better imho. You???ll then have a car
          that is the injected versions performance equal in every way.
          These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed
          6s that find their way back here. Good luck</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Jonmac<br>
          <br>
          <div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Whenever I feel the
            need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to
            lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL</div>
          <div dir="ltr"><br>
            On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard &lt;<a
              href="mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:&quot;Times New
                    Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thanks,
                    Jonmac:?? I don???t have the car yet ??? and in fact
                    am still going back-and-forth about whether to buy
                    it.?? I???ll keep you posted !<br>
                    <br>
                    Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                        John Macartney [<a
                          href="mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk";
                          
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Triumphs; <a
                          href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";
                          moz-do-not-send="true">6pack@autox.team.net</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] Lucas 
PI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Can I help? Did the Lucas Service
                  course, thefactory service course and owned a saloon
                  with the pi engine to full U.K. police performance
                  spec. Doubt you???ll find too many in the US with
                  experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in
                  North America in the day, though a very small number
                  have snuck in since then. A word of advice. If
                  you???re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, put
                  everything you???ve learned about carbed cars entirely
                  to one side. The Lucas system is a whole different
                  ball game with very unique rules. That said, it???s a
                  great setup but you need to know what you???re doing
                  before you start:)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Whenever I feel the need for
                      exercise, experience has shown me it is better to
                      lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON
                      CHURCHILL<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                      On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via
                      6pack &lt;<a href="mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";
                        moz-do-not-send="true">6pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          style="font-family:&quot;Times New
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                          go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas
                          PI system?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                          Uprichard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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