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Re: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets

To: Tom Householder <trhouse@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets
From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:33:53 -0500
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Tom,
Yes, that=E2=80=99s what I have always heard too.=20
Bill

Serenity Now......

On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Tom Householder <trhouse@columbus.rr.com> wrote=
:

=EF=BB=BFI looked into this once and believe it is called a blind rivet=E2=80=
=A6=E2=80=A6 Could be mistaken=E2=80=A6.. long time ago



>> On Jun 20, 2020, at 12:08 PM, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> This is excellent information and a detail most would overlook.  I reduce=
d the cap diameter of an otherwise correctly sized aluminum pop rivet then g=
lued a short length of the shaft in place to smoothly fill the hole.  It's v=
ery difficult to tell the difference from the factory rivet.  I thought this=
 detail was important and I kept the original commission plate although it s=
hows it's age.=20
>> Dave H.  =20
>> On 06/20/2020 8:47 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Yes, I think I was able to find the correct rivets for both early cars (a=
 drive rivet, not a "pop" rivet) and late cars (a closed-end rivet).  If not=
 exact, they're *very* close.  I probably have many dozens of them -- certai=
nly several lifetime's supply -- because I had to order a bunch to get a few=
.
>>=20
>> Here's are details front and back of the early drive rivet.
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee6789/O/i-KX88bMw.jpg=20=

>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b7900/O/i-LdxQ2BM.jpg=20=

>>=20
>> Send me a note off-list, Brian, and we'll see what we can do.
>>=20
>> BR,
>>=20
>> Don
>> Saint Louis Missouri
>> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Thomas < thomasb@queensu.ca> wrote=
:=20
>> Hi,=20
>>=20
>> I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate o=
n my TR2. =20
>>=20
>> Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is inst=
alled.  The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this opening. =
=20
>>=20
>> Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet? =20
>>=20
>> FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4=
 inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this.  As 554407 is also=
 used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which=
 I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ...=20
>>=20
>> Cheers,=20
>>=20
>> Brian=20
>> _____________________________________________________=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Tom,<div>Yes, that=E2=80=99s what I have al=
ways heard too.&nbsp;<div>Bill<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Serenity Now......</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Tom Householder &lt;trh=
ouse@columbus.rr.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta=
 http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8">I looked i=
nto this once and believe it is called a blind rivet=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 Could=
 be mistaken=E2=80=A6.. long time ago<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><d=
iv class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 20, 2020, at 12:08 PM=
, DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net"; class=3D"">dlhogye@c=
omcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div c=
lass=3D"">

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  <meta charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D"">=20
=20
 <div class=3D"">
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: #333333;" class=3D"">
   <span id=3D"_mce_caret" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: helvetica;=
 font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">This is excellent information and a detail mos=
t would overlook.&nbsp; I reduced the cap diameter of an otherwise correctly=
 sized aluminum pop rivet then glued a short length of the shaft in place to=
 smoothly fill the hole.&nbsp; It's very difficult to tell the difference fr=
om the factory rivet.&nbsp; I thought this detail was important and I kept t=
he original commission plate although it shows it's age.&nbsp;</span></span>=

  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: #333333;" class=3D"">
   <span id=3D"_mce_caret" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: helvetica;=
 font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Dave H.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span>
   <br class=3D"">
  </div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
   <div class=3D"">
    On 06/20/2020 8:47 AM Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmai=
l.com" class=3D"">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
   </div>
   <div class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
   </div>
   <div class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
   </div>
   <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
    Yes, I think&nbsp;I was able to find the correct rivets for both early c=
ars (a drive rivet, not a "pop" rivet) and late cars (a closed-end rivet).&n=
bsp; If not exact, they're *very* close.&nbsp; I probably have many dozens o=
f them -- certainly several lifetime's supply -- because I had to order a bu=
nch to get a few.
    <div class=3D"">
     <br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <div class=3D"">
     Here's are details front&nbsp;and back of the early drive rivet.
    </div>
    <div class=3D"">
     <a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee6789/O/i-K=
X88bMw.jpg" class=3D"">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee678=
9/O/i-KX88bMw.jpg</a>
     <br class=3D"">
     <div class=3D"">
      <a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b7900/O/i-=
LdxQ2BM.jpg" class=3D"">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b79=
00/O/i-LdxQ2BM.jpg</a>
      <br class=3D"">
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      <br class=3D"">
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      Send me a note off-list, Brian, and we'll see what we can do.
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      <br class=3D"">
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      BR,
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      <br class=3D"">
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      Don
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      Saint Louis Missouri
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      1962 TR3B TSF202L
     </div>
     <div class=3D"">
      <br class=3D"">
     </div>
    </div>
   </div>
   <br class=3D"">
   <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
    <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">
     On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Thomas &lt;
     <a href=3D"mailto:thomasb@queensu.ca"; class=3D"">thomasb@queensu.ca</a>=
&gt; wrote:
     <br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote class=3D"">
     Hi,
     <br class=3D"">
     <br class=3D"">I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the c=
ommission plate on my TR2.&nbsp;=20
     <br class=3D"">
     <br class=3D"">Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when t=
he rivet is installed.&nbsp; The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal c=
ap in this opening.&nbsp;=20
     <br class=3D"">
     <br class=3D"">Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet?&nbsp;=
=20
     <br class=3D"">
     <br class=3D"">FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type=
 - 1/8 inch x 1/4 inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this.&n=
bsp; As 554407 is also used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a T=
R4A windshield (which I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are al=
so hollow ...
     <br class=3D"">
     <br class=3D"">Cheers,
     <br class=3D"">
     <br class=3D"">Brian
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