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Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak

To: Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:56:15 -0400
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>, Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>
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Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it's such an easy fix, I can't help but be a
bit surprised the manufacturer(s) don't do this just prior to assembly...

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:51 PM Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if
> compared Today's alternatives but the same can be said for about every
> element and system in the TR3.
>
> Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated an=
d
> lapped, as they were when Dave's TR3 was built, did not leak. They also
> lasted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used o=
n
> about every British car from the beginning until the 1970's. They were al=
so
> the choice in boats and ships where sea water had to come through the
> boat's hull, to cool the engine for example.
>
> If you want to fix the poorly made reproduction tap, get some very fine
> valve grinding compound, take the cotter pin out of the drain tap, remove
> the spring and washer and the washer under the spring and tap the barrel
> and handle out. Put some compound in and work the barrel back and forth
> until you get an even pattern on the housing and barrel. Problem solved.
> You might even be able to get toothpaste to work as abrasive. Old school
> technology and old school fix. Takes less than ten minutes once the tap i=
s
> removed.
>
> Guaranteed to work or money back.  And if you operate them a couple of
> time each season, they will not clog up either.
>
> Tom
>
>
> *From:* Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2020 11:56 AM
> *To:* John Linney <john@linneyweb.com>; David Friedlander <
> forzion7@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>; TR3 Triumphs <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net@newenglandtriumphs.or=
g
> >
> *Subject:* RE: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
> The design of this valve employs a metal on metal interface as a sealing
> surface.  There are no orings, seals or packing of any kind.  The ability
> to seal depends solely on the two tapered metal surfaces being symmetrica=
l
> enough to hold water under pressure.  That is not a good design.  I belie=
ve
> that in the early days, since these valves are rarely used, they seeped
> enough water that eventually enough corrosion set in to accomplish a seal=
.
> The usually start to leak more seriously after the valve has been
> operated.  That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broke=
n
> and the process would have to start all over again.  If the earlier
> corrosion had pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface,
> then that would make it even harder for the valve to eventually reseal.
>
>
>
> The valve serves little if any purpose.  I simple pipe plug could be
> substituted for a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.
> However many people want to keep the period correct look of the valve
> (without having the leaking problem).  That is why Moss is considering
> offering a =E2=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.  It will look just like the ori=
ginal and the
> handle will even turn, but the passage from the block to the valve stem
> will not be drilled, hence making this in essence a fancy pipe plug.
>
>
>
> The only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% success=
ful, is to
> disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces together
> using valve lapping compound.  This presumably would =E2=80=9Cperfect=E2=
=80=9D the
> interface of the two metal parts to a point where they would create a
> seal.
>
>
>
> *Steve Kirby*
>
> *President*
>
> *China Auto Group*
>
> 22831 Avenida Empresa
>
> Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
>
> Direct:  (949) 261-8208
>
> Fax:  (949) 767-5949
>
> Cell:  (949) 903-0957
>
> Skype: steve.kirby29
>
> www.chinaautogroup.com
>
>
>
> *From:* John Linney <john@linneyweb.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM
> *To:* David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>; TR3 Triumphs <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>; Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>; New
> England Triumphs <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
>
> Go figure. I went through three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gu=
m it up
> with something=E2=80=99 solution.
>
> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> I replaced my original because somehow,  the handle on the tap had broken
> off. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.  I wonder if TRF and
> Moss even know about the problem.  If they do, why would they continue to
> sell what they know is faulty, without trying to get the issue(s) resolve=
d?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones
> didn't leak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the
> middle ages). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one i=
n
> the radiator.
>
> And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn't be the first to
> resort to that. Mine both work and don't leak but I never use them . On t=
he
> rare occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom
> radiator hose, quick and easy.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM
> *To:* David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>; TR3 Triumphs <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net@newenglandtriumphs.or=
g
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
>
> They all leak.  Bad design from day one.  You can try removing it,
> disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping
> compound.
>
> Steve Kirby
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' and
> just install a pipe plug now... =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, And if  you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid wit=
h
> crud and never leak (or drain) again.
>
> Tom
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* NET <net-bounces@newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David
> Friedlander via NET <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM
> *To:* TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <
> net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> *Subject:* [NET] Small coolant leak
>
>
>
> I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the
> handle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone
> else had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be.
> It's not leaking from where the tap threads into the block... Thanks in
> advance for any BTDT advice...
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it&#39;s such an easy fix, I=
 can&#39;t help but be a bit surprised the manufacturer(s) don&#39;t do thi=
s just prior to assembly...</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:51 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com";>nute_shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if compared=
 Today&#39;s alternatives but the same can be said for about every element =
and system in the TR3.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated and =
lapped, as they were when Dave&#39;s TR3 was built, did not leak. They also=
 lasted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used on=
 about every British car from the beginning
 until the 1970&#39;s. They were also the choice in boats and ships where s=
ea water had to come through the boat&#39;s hull, to cool the engine for ex=
ample.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
If you want to fix the poorly made reproduction tap, get some very fine val=
ve grinding compound, take the cotter pin out of the drain tap, remove the =
spring and washer and the washer under the spring and tap the barrel and ha=
ndle out. Put some compound in and
 work the barrel back and forth until you get an even pattern on the housin=
g and barrel. Problem solved. You might even be able to get toothpaste to w=
ork as abrasive. Old school technology and old school fix. Takes less than =
ten minutes once the tap is removed.
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Guaranteed to work or money back.=C2=A0 And if you operate them a couple of=
 time each season, they will not clog up either.<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Tom<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_-5506077995634869665divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"=
font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautogroup.com"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sackirby@chinaautogroup.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john@linneyweb.com"; target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">john@linneyweb.com</a>&gt;; David Friedlander &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer=
">forzion7@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nute_shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
The design of this valve employs a metal on metal interface as a sealing su=
rface.=C2=A0 There are no orings, seals or packing of any kind.=C2=A0 The a=
bility to seal depends solely on the two tapered metal surfaces being symme=
trical enough to hold water under pressure.=C2=A0
 That is not a good design.=C2=A0 I believe that in the early days, since t=
hese valves are rarely used, they seeped enough water that eventually enoug=
h corrosion set in to accomplish a seal.=C2=A0 The usually start to leak mo=
re seriously after the valve has been operated.=C2=A0
 That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broken and the pr=
ocess would have to start all over again.=C2=A0 If the earlier corrosion ha=
d pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface, then that would=
 make it even harder for the valve to
 eventually reseal.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
The valve serves little if any purpose.=C2=A0 I simple pipe plug could be s=
ubstituted for a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.=C2=
=A0 However many people want to keep the period correct look of the valve (=
without having the leaking problem).=C2=A0 That
 is why Moss is considering offering a =E2=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.=C2=A0=
 It will look just like the original and the handle will even turn, but the=
 passage from the block to the valve stem will not be drilled, hence making=
 this in essence a fancy pipe plug.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
The only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% successfu=
l, is to disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces t=
ogether using valve lapping compound.=C2=A0 This presumably would =E2=80=9C=
perfect=E2=80=9D the interface of the two metal parts to a point where
 they would create a seal.=C2=A0 </p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070c0">Steve Kirby</span></i></b></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b>President</b></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b>China Auto Group</b></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
22831 Avenida Empresa</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Direct:=C2=A0 (949) 261-8208</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Fax:=C2=A0 (949) 767-5949</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Cell:=C2=A0 (949) 903-0957</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Skype: steve.kirby29</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<a href=3D"http://www.chinaautogroup.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">www.chinaautogroup.com</a></p>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b>From:</b> John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john@linneyweb.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">john@linneyweb.com</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">forzion7@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nute_shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:sackirby@chinaautogroup.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sackirby=
@chinaautogroup.com</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net=
@newenglandtriumphs.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net@newenglan=
dtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</p>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Go figure. I went through three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum =
it up with something=E2=80=99 solution.</p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzio=
n7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">forzion7@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:</p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=EF=BB=BF</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
I replaced my original because somehow,=C2=A0 the handle on the tap had bro=
ken off. I didn&#39;t know the replacement ones all leaked.=C2=A0 I wonder =
if TRF and Moss even know about the problem.=C2=A0 If they do, why would th=
ey continue to sell what they know is faulty, without
 trying to get the issue(s) resolved?</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
Dave</p>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@=
hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nute_shop@hotmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Perhaps the reproduction cocks=
 are poorly made but the original ones didn&#39;t leak. The design is ancie=
nt (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle ages). There are two on ev=
ery TR2 or 3, one in the block and one
 in the radiator. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">And Dave, the plug is not a ba=
d idea, and you wouldn&#39;t be the first to resort to that. Mine both work=
 and don&#39;t leak but I never use them . On the rare occasions that I dra=
in the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom
 radiator hose, quick and easy.</span></p>
</div>
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serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom</span></p>
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serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
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serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
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serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
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s-serif;text-align:center" align=3D"center">
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serif">
<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautogroup.com"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sackirby@chinaautogroup.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">forzion7@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nute_shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</span> </p>
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serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
They all leak.=C2=A0 Bad design from day one.=C2=A0 You can try removing it=
, disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compo=
und.</p>
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re">
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Steve Kirby</p>
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serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<br>
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forzi=
on7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">forzion7@gmail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:</p>
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serif">
Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should &#39;avoid the rush&#3=
9; and just install a pipe plug now...
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=
=8A</span> </p>
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serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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serif">
Dave</p>
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serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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serif">
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@=
hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">nute_shop@hotmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:</p>
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serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Oh, And if=C2=A0 you get the l=
eak to stop it will eventually clog up solid with crud and never leak (or d=
rain) again.</span></p>
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serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom</span></p>
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serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
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s-serif;text-align:center" align=3D"center">
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64698divRplyFwdMsg">
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net-bounces@newenglandtriumphs.org"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net-bounces@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt; on beha=
lf of David Friedlander via NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumph=
s.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&=
gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; New Engla=
nd Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NET] Small coolant leak</span> </p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">
I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the h=
andle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone else=
 had this issue? It&#39;s a new tap and don&#39;t know what the fix might b=
e. It&#39;s not leaking from where the tap threads
 into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advice... </p>
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serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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serif">
Dave</p>
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