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Re: [TR] How easy is it to get a Spitfire through a CA smog? Follow up q

To: John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [TR] How easy is it to get a Spitfire through a CA smog? Follow up questions
From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 11:06:21 -0500
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Have a friend that loaded his Spit up four Mikunis, runs quite nice but for t=
he gearing that severely limits highway cruising.=20
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On Oct 24, 2020, at 9:58 AM, John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk> w=
rote:

=EF=BB=BFJeff,

Given that the 1500 with all the smog stuff fitted would be second place to a=
 Briggs and Stratton lawn mower engine, I think you=E2=80=99ll be in for a p=
leasant surprise. Enjoy

Jonmac

Bessie Braddock: =E2=80=9CWinston! You=E2=80=99re drunk=E2=80=9D.
Churchill: =E2=80=9Cand you, Madam, are ugly. But tomorrow, I shall be sober=
 but you will still be ugly=E2=80=9D.

On 24 Oct 2020, at 11:34, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:

> >  The 1500 engine is positively athsmatic and has always had breathing is=
sues in standard spec. No doubt there will be howls of protest in favour of t=
he 1500
>=20
> Well, I'm about to find out.  My short block has been cleaned up and balan=
ced, a lightened flywheel and slightly hotter cam has been purchased, and my=
 head is at a 1500 specialist having its breathing attended to.  Add a pair o=
f HS4s and the UK exhaust manifold, and it ought to be better than the origi=
nal US spec, anyway.  I will certainly have spent enough cubic dollars to go=
 at least a little faster...
>=20
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:51 PM John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.=
uk> wrote:
>> Air pollution regs kicked in for 1968 build. Albeit very limited, the SU c=
arb proved a bit difficult to lean out and that=E2=80=99s why Spitfires from=
 either 1969 or 1970 model year used a single Stromberg. My personal opinion=
 is the Mk3 Spitfire with the 1296 8 port head is the Best Buy, hotly follow=
ed by the 1296 Mk4. The 1500 engine is positively athsmatic and has always h=
ad breathing issues in standard spec. No doubt there will be howls of protes=
t in favour of the 1500 but the many I=E2=80=99ve driven over years - rebuil=
t/cared for/completely knackered - were all the same, I.e. seriously disappo=
inting and that same engine in the Midget made that great little car somethi=
ng that is best forgotten.
>>=20
>> Jonmac
>>=20
>> Bessie Braddock: =E2=80=9CWinston! You=E2=80=99re drunk=E2=80=9D.
>> Churchill: =E2=80=9Cand you, Madam, are ugly. But tomorrow, I shall be so=
ber but you will still be ugly=E2=80=9D.
>>=20
>> On 23 Oct 2020, at 17:28, Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Thanks for the answers. Here are a few follow up questions.
>>> If the Smog parts were completely removed from the car and it needs it, w=
hat is the  worst case cost wise to buy this stuff to get it though a Smog? W=
hat workshop equipment would I need to buy and cost to make sure I can get i=
t close to passing a smog without having a repair shop tweek it to pass a sm=
og check? Also, are '74 year and earlier cars exempt from a smog  but  '75 o=
n are not?
>>>=20
>>> Regards, Sujit
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Sujit Roy
>>> Cupertino, California
>>>=20
>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Have a friend that loaded h=
is Spit up four Mikunis, runs quite nice but for the gearing that severely l=
imits highway cruising.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">B</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br>On Oct 24, 2020, at 9:58 AM, John Macartney &lt;John.Macartney@ukpips.or=
g.uk&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"c=
ontent-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Jeff,<div><br></div><div=
>Given that the 1500 with all the smog stuff fitted would be second place to=
 a Briggs and Stratton lawn mower engine, I think you=E2=80=99ll be in for a=
 pleasant surprise. Enjoy</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Bessie Braddock: =E2=80=9CWinston! You=E2=80=99re drunk=E2=80=9D.<div>=
Churchill: =E2=80=9Cand you, Madam, are ugly. But tomorrow, I shall be sober=
 but you will still be ugly=E2=80=9D.</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 24 O=
ct 2020, at 11:34, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com=
">fishplate@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp;

The 1500 engine is positively athsmatic and has always had breathing issues i=
n standard spec. No doubt there will be howls of protest in favour of the 15=
00<div><br></div><div>Well, I'm about to find out.&nbsp; My short block has b=
een cleaned up and balanced, a lightened flywheel and slightly hotter cam ha=
s been purchased, and my head is at a 1500 specialist having its breathing a=
ttended to.&nbsp; Add a pair of HS4s and the UK exhaust manifold, and it oug=
ht to be better than the original US spec, anyway.&nbsp; I will certainly ha=
ve spent enough cubic dollars to go at least a little faster...</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Jeff Scarbrough</div><div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:51 PM John Macartney &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk";>John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"auto">Air pollution regs kicked in for 1968 build. Albeit very limited, the=
 SU carb proved a bit difficult to lean out and that=E2=80=99s why Spitfires=
 from either 1969 or 1970 model year used a single Stromberg. My personal op=
inion is the Mk3 Spitfire with the 1296 8 port head is the Best Buy, hotly f=
ollowed by the 1296 Mk4. The 1500 engine is positively athsmatic and has alw=
ays had breathing issues in standard spec. No doubt there will be howls of p=
rotest in favour of the 1500 but the many I=E2=80=99ve driven over years - r=
ebuilt/cared for/completely knackered - were all the same, I.e. seriously di=
sappointing and that same engine in the Midget made that great little car so=
mething that is best forgotten.<div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div i=
d=3D"gmail-m_6520465779848206012AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Bessie Bradd=
ock: =E2=80=9CWinston! You=E2=80=99re drunk=E2=80=9D.<div>Churchill: =E2=80=9C=
and you, Madam, are ugly. But tomorrow, I shall be sober but you will still b=
e ugly=E2=80=9D.</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 23 Oct 2020, at 17:28, S=
ujit Roy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">triu=
mphstag@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks for the answers. Here are a&nbsp;f=
ew follow up questions.</div><div>If the Smog parts were completely removed f=
rom the&nbsp;car and it needs it, what is the&nbsp; worst case cost wise to b=
uy this stuff to get it though a Smog? What workshop equipment would&nbsp;I n=
eed to buy and cost to make sure I can get it close to passing&nbsp;a smog w=
ithout having&nbsp;a repair shop tweek it to pass a smog check? Also, are '7=
4 year and earlier cars exempt from a smog&nbsp; but&nbsp; '75 on are not?</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Sujit</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sujit Roy<br>Cupertino, California</div><div><br=
><a href=3D"https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/"; target=3D"_blank">https:=
//triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/</a><br><br></div></div></div></div>
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