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From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu@cust.usachoice.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 04:45:47 -0400
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I use Thunderbird, and it now has "reply" and "reply to list" buttons, 
seems simple enough. I had numerous tries with the old system in which I 
attempted to reply to the actual sender, but it always went to the list. 
(Thunderbird did NOT display the two buttons with the old list, just 
"reply")

Allen's experiment with the huge files really screwed my computer last 
night. I got at least 5 copies of that, and everything came to an 
agonizing halt, such that I had to shut it down, but it 
wouldn't/couldn't do that.(Computer just slowed to a stop, which I 
thought was a Firefox problem, but was it trying to download all those 
picture files) Once it got all of it, it then took forever loading (from 
where?) the messages to delete them.Took me 4 hours to shut down and 
restart until eventually it cleared all that stuff.
I think maybe having extremely large file sizes allowed is not good. 
Especially, some folks have a habit of including lots of large file pics 
in one post, which is really a disaster if there is a problem.

I noted Mark's comments re people not editing replies, which was a big 
problem on the Rover list, also flailing since Eric's unfortunate 
passing. Hasn't happened since, but that list is now very sporadic.

FRM

On 10/19/2013 5:57 PM, James Rogers wrote:
> I believe that the default reply should be to reply to the sender in 
> stead of replying to the entire list. I think this default will 
> automatically act to moderate the volume of email traffic by 
> encouraging the one replying to consider if addressing the entire 
> group is necessary. This approach is considered proper listserv/web 
> group etiquette.
>
> Oh, and a thanks to the almighty moderator for setting this whole 
> thing up.
>
> For more info on listserv etiquette see: 
> http://listserv.arizona.edu/etiquette.html
>
> Cheers,
> James
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Steve Kirby
> Sent: 10/19/2013 4:15 PM
> To: Allen Bachelder; zmagnette
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Replies to list...
>
> tis better this way, IMHO
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *Sent:* Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:59 AM
>     *Subject:* [Zmagnette] Replies to list...
>
>     OK, we've all noted that with this new list, replies go to the
>     sender only.  You can over-ride this by using a "reply all"
>     function. A computer guru I am not, but I have been to the
>     administrative site and studied the material on the "reply to"
>     function.  It looks like I can change this easily, but the
>     instructions STRONGLY recommend  against it.  I'm not sure I can
>     understand why - outside of the obvious reason that emails
>     intended for one other person only can embarrass or hurt when
>     accidentally sent to an entire list.  The verb to "mung" comes up
>     in this context.  I have googled the term "mung", and have learned
>     only that it is an acronym meaning "modify until no good".  I fail
>     to understand it's use in this context.  I mean, what are the
>     ramifications if I modify my "reply to" function until [it's] no
>     good. Can somebody 'splain...?
>
>     As it is, the default setting prevents the heartbreak of munging
>     as well as accidental hurt or embarrassment.  I can see that it
>     might also be useful in minimizing use of the list for private
>     messaging.  For example: I ask the list if anyone has a spare ZA
>     ashtray.  The responses will come to me only, not the list, and
>     further correspondence about ZA ashtrays, the history of ashtrays,
>     the origin of the term "ashtray", and failed experiments in the
>     design and construction of ashtrays will be restricted to only
>     those interested.
>
>     OTOH, we are all long-accustomed to a list that automatically
>     sends all our replies to the list, and the change will put us all
>     on a new learning curve.
>
>     So - I am left to asking your preferences before I press the magic
>     buttons.  And I know I'm putting myself in a dangerous spot by
>     asking because the results will be about half and half and no
>     matter what I do I'm going to piss somebody off.  To ease my pain,
>     I'll say that barring a strong objection, I'm strongly inclined to
>     make the change back to that to which we are accustomed.
>
>     Yours for better listing... (or is "listing" simply precedent to
>     "sinking"?),
>     Allen
>     */****************************************************************/*
>     */Allen & Florrie Bachelder   =iii=<
>     Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
>     */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
>     */North Street, MI 48049, USA/*
>     */http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs/*
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    I use Thunderbird, and it now has "reply" and "reply to list"
    buttons, seems simple enough. I had numerous tries with the old
    system in which I attempted to reply to the actual sender, but it
    always went to the list. (Thunderbird did NOT display the two
    buttons with the old list, just "reply")<br>
    <br>
    Allen's experiment with the huge files really screwed my computer
    last night. I got at least 5 copies of that, and everything came to
    an agonizing halt, such that I had to shut it down, but it
    wouldn't/couldn't do that.(Computer just slowed to a stop, which I
    thought was a Firefox problem, but was it trying to download all
    those picture files) Once it got all of it, it then took forever
    loading (from where?) the messages to delete them.Took me 4 hours to
    shut down and restart until eventually it cleared all that stuff.<br>
    I think maybe having extremely large file sizes allowed is not good.
    Especially, some folks have a habit of including lots of large file
    pics in one post, which is really a disaster if there is a problem.<br>
    <br>
    I noted Mark's comments re people not editing replies, which was a
    big problem on the Rover list, also flailing since Eric's
    unfortunate passing. Hasn't happened since, but that list is now
    very sporadic.<br>
    <br>
    FRM<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/19/2013 5:57 PM, James Rogers
      wrote:<br>
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        <div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I
          believe that the default reply should be to reply to the
          sender in stead of replying to the entire list. I think this
          default will automatically act to moderate the volume of email
          traffic by encouraging the one replying to consider if
          addressing the entire group is necessary. This approach is
          considered proper listserv/web group etiquette.<br>
          <br>
          Oh, and a thanks to the almighty moderator for setting this
          whole thing up.<br>
          <br>
          For more info on listserv etiquette see: <a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            
href="http://listserv.arizona.edu/etiquette.html";>http://listserv.arizona.edu/etiquette.html</a><br>
          <br>
          Cheers,<br>
          James<br>
          <br>
          Sent from my Windows Phone<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <hr><span
        
style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold">From:
      </span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Steve
        Kirby</span><br>
      <span
        
style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold">Sent:
      </span><span 
style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">10/19/2013
        4:15 PM</span><br>
      <span
        
style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold">To:
      </span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Allen
        Bachelder; zmagnette</span><br>
      <span
        
style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold">Subject:
      </span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Re:
        [Zmagnette] Replies to list...</span><br>
      <br>
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      <div>tis better this way, IMHO</div>
      <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px
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        <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
        <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a
            moz-do-not-send="true" title="bachldrs@comcast.net"
            href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
        <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
            moz-do-not-send="true" title="zmagnette@autox.team.net"
            href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>zmagnette</a> </div>
        <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 19,
          2013 10:59 AM</div>
        <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Zmagnette] Replies
          to list...</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        OK, we've all noted that with this new list, replies go to the
        sender only. &nbsp;You can over-ride this by using a "reply all"
        function. A computer guru I am not, but I have been to the
        administrative site and studied the material on the "reply to"
        function. &nbsp;It looks like I can change this easily, but the
        instructions STRONGLY recommend &nbsp;against it. &nbsp;I'm not sure I 
can
        understand why - outside of the obvious reason that emails
        intended for one other person only can embarrass or hurt when
        accidentally sent to an entire list. &nbsp;The verb to "mung" comes
        up in this context. &nbsp;I have googled the term "mung", and have
        learned only that it is an acronym meaning "modify until no
        good". &nbsp;I fail to understand it's use in this context. &nbsp;I 
mean,
        what are the ramifications if I modify my "reply to" function
        until [it's] no good. Can somebody 'splain...?
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>As it is, the default setting prevents the heartbreak of
          munging as well as accidental hurt or embarrassment. &nbsp;I can
          see that it might also be useful in minimizing use of the list
          for private messaging. &nbsp;For example: I ask the list if anyone
          has a spare ZA ashtray. &nbsp;The responses will come to me only,
          not the list, and further correspondence about ZA ashtrays,
          the history of ashtrays, the origin of the term "ashtray", and
          failed experiments in the design and construction of ashtrays
          will be restricted to only those interested.&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>OTOH, we are all long-accustomed to a list that
          automatically sends all our replies to the list, and the
          change will put us all on a new learning curve.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So - I am left to asking your preferences before I press
          the magic buttons. &nbsp;And I know I'm putting myself in a
          dangerous spot by asking because the results will be about
          half and half and no matter what I do I'm going to piss
          somebody off. &nbsp;To ease my pain, I'll say that barring a strong
          objection, I'm strongly inclined to make the change back to
          that to which we are accustomed.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Yours for better listing... (or is "listing" simply
          precedent to "sinking"?),</div>
        <div>Allen<br>
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                                                          Bachelder &nbsp; 
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                                                          &nbsp; =iii=&lt;<br>
                                                          Spring Creek
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                                                          ZB, '65 B, '69
                                                          C/GT, '73 
B/GT</i></b></div>
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