[Fot] TR3 frame color question
trhouse at columbus.rr.com
trhouse at columbus.rr.com
Tue Jan 26 18:36:16 MST 2021
In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up
outdoors in stacks awaiting use?
-----------------------------------------From: "BILL"
To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye"
Cc: "FOT Triumph"
Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted
colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have
personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and
Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all
the frames were painted chassis black. Over the years I have confirmed
that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body
colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have
documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow
added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most
part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other
strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint
were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder
Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not
exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown.
Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames
came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The
bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the
two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant?
The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original
cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when
separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original
paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you
are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future
reference is highly recommended.
I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race
car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on
from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch.
It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history.
All the Best,
Bill Redinger VTR
-------- Original message -------- From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date:
1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye
Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
The one under my 57 is signal red. Jim
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot
wrote:
I’ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one
had a red body. Dave H.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was
input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds.
I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the
frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black
Tom
----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot"
To: "Henry A. Morrison"
Cc: "FOT Triumph"
Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
Hi all
Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she
looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the
1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC.
Cars had three ‘standards’ of prep it seems and the records show
‘A/A’, ‘A/B’, ‘A/C’ etc but no one seems to know what that
really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car
and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58
records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits
everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at
Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a’s and a white rolling
chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have
a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of
course.
The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department
who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that
cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where
each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do
today.
Hope this is useful Tony
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote:
My red 1960 has a white frame..............I think my '57 white
car is white as well..............
Henry Morrison
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FROM: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot
SENT: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM
TO: Steven Belfer
CC: FOT Triumph
SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that
seems to be true.
But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display
chassis, etc.
I encountered it when I was involved in a concours.
Joe Alexander
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> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote:
>
> I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames
ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black
only.
>
> ~Steve
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