[Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

E.A. Driver edriver at sasktel.net
Sat Oct 8 13:32:00 MDT 2022 

Hi Mirek

You speak for yourself and a limited few not for all the individuals who 
are subscribers to the Healey list and either do not wish to comment or 
find Josef views quite acceptable and see not need to comment.  In 
reading Josef's post of October 7th (which appears at the bottom of this 
page) it is very concise and well stated. Further, the individual 
driving the BN1/2 may have decided to avoid an accident but had not 
judged the verge of the road correctly (and all the related factors 
including his reflexes as an 82 year old person).

Kind regards
Ed

E.A. Driver (former Historian and Director, AHCUSA)
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan


On 08/10/2022 08:57, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:
>
> Guys, let it be.  Josef has been clear on how he feels and we have 
> collectively told him what we think of his opinions.  There will be no 
> changing his mind, so lets accept that he lives by a different moral 
> code that none of us (at least those that posted replies), agree with, 
> and get back to using the list for providing mutual support to keep 
> our Healeys on the road.
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Tom 
> Felts via Healeys
> *Sent:* October 8, 2022 6:18 AM
> *To:* Gil Rockwell <gilrockwell at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> I haven't!!  But this will be MY last comment about this. Josef YOU 
> ARE A COMPLETE ASS HOLE!  Admin---delete me if you want, but there are 
> times to say exactly what is needed to be said.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gil Rockwell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> To: josef-eckert at t-online.de, healeys at autox.team.net
> Sent: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 22:11:18 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
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>
> I’ve said enough, you don’t seem to get it, so I am ending this 
> conversation.
>
> Gil
>
> *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2022 9:43 PM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Cc:* gilrockwell at gmail.com
> *Subject:* WG: Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> So it isn´t allowed to say anything negative, even its the truth?
>
> Is that the world you are living?
>
> But to get back to the facts. An 82-year-old driver of a vintage car 
> lost control of his vehicle while driving in Italy, drove into a ditch 
> and killed himself and his wife in an accident.
> Let's assume that instead of driving into the ditch, he would have 
> collided with another road user which can be very likely and this 
> would have been injured or killed.
> The police, especially in Italy where it happened, would have arrested 
> the person who caused the accident immediately, the car would have 
> been confiscated and the driver's license would have been withdrawn 
> forever. No mercy!
> The driver would then have had to answer in court and would probably 
> not have been happy with his life anymore.
> Someone who has some sense does not put himself in such a 
> situation.It's just foolish at such an old age, probably through 
> hubris, to submit to such a danger.
> I don't want to imply anything, but maybe a glass of wine was drunk as 
> well, as is customary in Italy.
>
> Josef
>
> 54 100, 62 BT7, 65 Sprite, and other classic cars
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: RE: [Healey’s] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> Datum: 2022-10-07T22:05:30+0200
>
> Von: "Gil Rockwell" <gilrockwell at gmail.com <mailto:gilrockwell at gmail.com>>
>
> An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>" 
> <josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>>, 
> "healeyrik at gmail.com <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>" 
> <healeyrik at gmail.com <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>>, "'Forum Healey'" 
> <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
>
> In a polite society if you don’t have anything positive to say, just 
> be quiet,  your negative comments help no one.  Perhaps when you grow 
> in age, you will come to understand.
>
> Gil
>
> 61 BT7
>
> *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> 
> <josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>>
> *Sent:*Friday, October 07, 2022 3:55 PM
> *To:*Gil Rockwell <gilrockwell at gmail.com 
> <mailto:gilrockwell at gmail.com>>; healeyrik at gmail.com 
> <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>; Forum Healey <healeys at autox.team.net 
> <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
> *Subject:*AW: [Healey’s] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> Why? Just because you do not like to hear my opinion.
>
> We are still living in a free world and opinions, even different to 
> the own, should be allowed without shouting against each other..
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: RE: [Healey’s] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> Datum: 2022-10-07T21:46:31+0200
>
> Von: "Gil Rockwell" <gilrockwell at gmail.com <mailto:gilrockwell at gmail.com>>
>
> An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>" 
> <josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>>, 
> "healeyrik at gmail.com <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>" 
> <healeyrik at gmail.com <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>>, "'Forum Healey'" 
> <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
>
> Then I respectfully suggest that you not write at all.  What you have 
> said is completely disrespectful and unprofessional.
>
> Gil
>
> 61 BT7
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net 
> <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of 
> *josef-eckert--- via Healeys
> *Sent:*Friday, October 07, 2022 10:24 AM
> *To:*healeyrik at gmail.com <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>; Forum Healey 
> <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
> *Subject:*Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> I do not see a need to please Mr and Mrs Twaite's daughter. When she 
> is grieving, she better would have kept her parents from doing such a 
> silly thing as a multi day rally or planned drive in their high age.
> Now she even lost her mother, who was definitely innocent.
>
> Sorry, when it sounds harsh what I write, but English language is not 
> my mother tongue and I write this in English as I would write it in 
> German language.
>
> Josef Eckert
> Königswinter GERMANY
>
>
> Gesendet mit der Telekom Mail App
>
> --- Original-Nachricht ---
> Von: HealeyRick via Healeys
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
> Datum: 07. Oktober 2022, 13:59
> An: Randy Hicks
> Cc: Healey List
>
>
> I don't think Mr. Twaite's daughter, Carolyn, would be too pleased to 
> read some of the comments about this accident.  She and her dad seemed 
> to have a lovely relationship based on classic cars and she must be 
> grieving right now: 
> https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/father-daughter-restocar-workshop-montreux 
> <https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/father-daughter-restocar-workshop-montreux>
>
>
> Rick Neville
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 9:47 AM Randy Hicks via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
> Awful.
>
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/ 
> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/>
>
>
> Randy
>
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