[JONAT-chat] Re: [JONAT-chat] Mesa Verde (Colorado
sector) lodging
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A couple of items:
Re the handoff: Entrance to MVNP is $10 per car if you do not have a Nationa=
l=20
Parks Pass, so for those not touring the Park, it would be a burden. Also,=
=20
while Microsoft's MapBlast says it's a 32 minute trip from Far View Lodge to=
=20
the Cortez motel, other sources call this wildly optimistic. I am flexible=
on=20
this. Might I suggest the handoff be dinner at the Far View Lodge=20
restaurant on April 28?
Re the schedule change:
If you are confused, I am frustrated to the point of chewing on the carpet.=20=
=20
I changed the route in November, but cannot get the route changed on the=20
official itinerary. Check the list mail archives and search for messages w=
ith=20
subject headings which include "Hijacking Texas" and "NO NO NO NO NO NO NO=20
NO". The only real change I have made since then was to extend the Tuesday=
=20
April 27 leg by 40 miles from Durango to MVNP because the afternoon tour was=
=20
unavailable and I was trying to eliminate a 7:30 AM start to catch the morni=
nig=20
tour.
As far as the route between Texas and Golden is concerned, it seems at this=20
moment irrelevant; no one has expressed any interest in joining it. I mad=
e=20
route suggestions on a couple of occasions, but have run into a maddening wa=
ll=20
of indifference. Let Mark McDavid take the Houston leg wherever he pleases=
;=20
there is no need to consider getting from there to here. Our mascot will=20
need to travel FedEx to get from Houston to Golden.=20
I am not quite finished with my hour-by-hour schedule, but hope to have it t=
o=20
you Real Soon Now -- perhaps 48 hours.
Robert
In a message dated 3/23/04 1:43:00 PM, marks@jaguarot.com writes:
> Robert,
>=20
> You have me totally confused. Here's the itinerary cut and pasted from the=
=20
> website:
>=20
> OKLAHOMA CITY
> April 23=A0 =A0 Friday=A0 =A0 Dallas / Ft. Worth=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Oklahoma=
City=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> April 24=A0 =A0 Saturday=A0 =A0 Oklahoma City=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 ?=A0 =A0=20=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> April 25=A0 =A0 Sunday=A0 =A0 ?=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Garden City OK=A0 =A0=20=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> DENVER
> April 26=A0 =A0 Monday=A0 =A0 Garden City OK=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Golden CO=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> April 27=A0 =A0 Tuesday=A0 =A0 Golden CO=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Gunnison CO=A0=20=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> April 28=A0 =A0 Wednesday=A0 =A0 Gunnison CO=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Mesa Verde N=
ational Park CO=A0 =A0=20
> 3 hour park tour=A0 =A0
>=20
> Is there a route change not posted? Bob! Help! :-)
>=20
> Does this revision mean you want to do the hand-off in Cortez? Yikes! My=20
> sector is already to go with Mesa Verde as the handoff. I could redo it st=
arting=20
> at Cortez. Either that or we should keep the handoff at Far View. If we ar=
e=20
> down to a week or less to go and we don't have a bunch of people trying to=
=20
> join us at Mesa Verde, then we can wing it and cancel and Mesa Verde and b=
ook=20
> in Cortez. Or book both places for the 28th, but a bunch of cancellations=20=
at=20
> the last minute seems unfair.
>=20
> Dick, what are you planning?
>=20
> While I like the idea of cutting off a half hour at the beginning, the dri=
ve=20
> to Page is almost all 65 mph 2-lane highway, According to my calculations=20=
it=20
> should be about 5 hours, 45 minutes of driving time for 292 miles.
>=20
> Mark
>=20
>=20
> ________________________________
>=20
> =A0 =A0 From: jonat-chat-admin@autox.team.net=20
> [mailto:jonat-chat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RMac@aol.com
> =A0 =A0 Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:00 PM
> =A0 =A0 To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net
> =A0 =A0 Subject: [JONAT-chat] Re: [JONAT-chat] Mesa Verde=A0 (Colorado sec=
tor)=20
> lodging
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 Dick, thanks for making the effort!=A0 Apparently the electronic=20
> reservations system for Aramark is down, and Orbitz was simply defaulting=20=
to "no rooms=20
> available."=A0=A0 Good news for us.
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 Here is the official Motels list for the Colorado Sector:
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 Night of:
> =A0 =A0 April 24=A0 =A0=A0 Golden Hotel, Golden CO
> =A0 =A0 April 25=A0 =A0=A0 Golden Hotel, Golden CO
> =A0 =A0 April 26=A0 =A0=A0 Best Western Tomichi Village Inn, Gunnison=A0
> =A0 =A0 April 27=A0 =A0=A0 Far View Lodge, Mesa Verde NP
> =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 alternate:=A0 =A0=A0 Best Western Durango Inn And Suites, D=
urango
> =A0 =A0 April 28=A0 =A0=A0 Best Western Sands, Cortez
> =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 alternate:=A0 =A0=A0 Far View Lodge, Mesa Verde NP
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 Details are attached as ColoradoLodging.pdf for Dick and Mark.=A0=20=
Anyone=20
> else who is interesed can read it at http://tinyurl.com/2j8kd
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 I will be staying at home for the Golden/Denver nights, and the li=
sted=20
> motels the other nights.=A0 Right now no one but myself and my rider are j=
oining=20
> at Golden.
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 I will change my own reservations to Far View Lodge on the 27 and=20=
Best=20
> Western - Cortez on the 28.=A0 The drive to Page will be a long one, and t=
he=20
> half hour head start will help lengthen the time available for sightseeing=
.=A0=20
> Being half the price helps, too. Those who value peace and quiet over a=20
> telephone connection, and not having to vacate their room every single mor=
ning, will=20
> probably prefer to stay both nights at the Lodge.
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 The afternoon tour of Mesa Verde is unavailable until after May 1,=
=20
> unfortunately. The morning and all-day tours, however, are available and I=
shall=20
> probably be taking the all-day tour myself.=A0 Tour-free exploration is=20
> available for those who prefer it, except for key ruins.=A0 Those require=20=
a Ranger=20
> escort, but are inexpensive ($2.75 for a one hour tour) and run hourly for=
the=20
> ruins open this early in the season.=A0 If you do not wish to devote an en=
tire=20
> day to the Park, stay in Durango Tuesday night and spend the morning seein=
g the=20
> sights there.
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 By the way, Best Western shows all their rates on their own site,=20=
and=20
> these match the best which can be gotten from the discount websites such a=
s=20
> Orbitz and Travelocity. You should be aware that the cheapest rate for one=
BW is=20
> NOT necessarily the cheapest rate at another. I am AAA rate at two of them=
=20
> and "BestRates" at the third.
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 Dick and Mark, you are two thirds of the Colorado contingent at th=
e=20
> moment. Your input is welcome.
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 --
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO
> =A0 =A0 1990 VDP Majestic
> =A0 =A0 Coordinator, Colorado Sector <
> http://homepage.mac.com/robertmacleay/.Public/JONAT-CO/COHighlights.html>
> =A0 =A0 Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 In a message dated 3/23/04 11:53:57 AM, dhile@enterprise-lakepowel=
l.com=20
> writes:
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0
>=20
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 We have a group of rooms reserved at the Far View Lodge at=
Mesa=20
> Verde.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Participants are to call 1-800-449-2288, which is a direct=
line to
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Reservations and mention JONAT ( or "the Jaguar Group")
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 We are receiving a 25% discount and the rate is $82.00/nig=
ht plus=20
> tax.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NOTE: This is the ONLY lodging in the Park and those who m=
iss out=20
> will
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 probably have to find accommodations in Cortez or Mancos (=
good luck)=20
> which
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 will complicate things if they want to tour the ruins, etc=
.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I strongly advise that participants contact Far View IMMED=
IATELY and=20
> reserve
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 a room. The General Manager will hold them as long as poss=
ible but=20
> they
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 won't last forever. This is a very popular tourist attract=
ion and=20
> bus tours
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 are common, so one bus can wipe out a lot of rooms.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 BTW, the GM at Far View is also interested in buying a 120=
FHC, so=20
> let me
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 know if anyone has a line on one.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Dick Hile
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Arizona ASC
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Gen=
eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">A couple of items:<BR>
<BR>
Re the handoff: Entrance to MVNP is $10 per car if you do not have a Nationa=
l Parks Pass, so for those not touring the Park, it would be a burden. =
Also, while Microsoft's MapBlast says it's a 32 minute trip from Far View=20=
Lodge to the Cortez motel, other sources call this wildly optimistic. =20=
I am flexible on this. Might I suggest the handoff be dinner at the=20=
Far View Lodge restaurant on April 28?<BR>
<BR>
Re the schedule change:<BR>
If you are confused, I am frustrated to the point of chewing on the carpet.&=
nbsp; I changed the route in November, but cannot get the route chan=
ged on the official itinerary. Check the list mail archives and searc=
h for messages with subject headings which include "Hijacking Texas" and "NO=
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO". The only real change I have made since then w=
as to extend the Tuesday April 27 leg by 40 miles from Durango to MVNP becau=
se the afternoon tour was unavailable and I was trying to eliminate a 7:30 A=
M start to catch the morninig tour.<BR>
<BR>
As far as the route between Texas and Golden is concerned, it seems at this=20=
moment irrelevant; no one has expressed any interest in joining it. &nb=
sp; I made route suggestions on a couple of occasions, but have run into a=20=
maddening wall of indifference. Let Mark McDavid take the Houston leg=
wherever he pleases; there is no need to consider getting from there to her=
e. Our mascot will need to travel FedEx to get from Houston to Golden=
. <BR>
<BR>
I am not quite finished with my hour-by-hour schedule, but hope to have it t=
o you Real Soon Now -- perhaps 48 hours.<BR>
<BR>
Robert<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 3/23/04 1:43:00 PM, marks@jaguarot.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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00000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Robert,<BR>
<BR>
You have me totally confused. Here's the itinerary cut and pasted from the w=
ebsite:<BR>
<BR>
OKLAHOMA CITY<BR>
April 23=A0 =A0 Friday=A0 =A0 Dallas / Ft. Worth=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Oklahoma C=
ity=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
April 24=A0 =A0 Saturday=A0 =A0 Oklahoma City=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 ?=A0 =A0 =A0=20=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
April 25=A0 =A0 Sunday=A0 =A0 ?=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Garden City OK=A0 =A0 =A0=20=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
DENVER<BR>
April 26=A0 =A0 Monday=A0 =A0 Garden City OK=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Golden CO=A0=20=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
April 27=A0 =A0 Tuesday=A0 =A0 Golden CO=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Gunnison CO=A0=20=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
April 28=A0 =A0 Wednesday=A0 =A0 Gunnison CO=A0 =A0 to=A0 =A0 Mesa Verde Nat=
ional Park CO=A0 =A0 3 hour park tour=A0 =A0<BR>
<BR>
Is there a route change not posted? Bob! Help! :-)<BR>
<BR>
Does this revision mean you want to do the hand-off in Cortez? Yikes! My sec=
tor is already to go with Mesa Verde as the handoff. I could redo it startin=
g at Cortez. Either that or we should keep the handoff at Far View. If we ar=
e down to a week or less to go and we don't have a bunch of people trying to=
join us at Mesa Verde, then we can wing it and cancel and Mesa Verde and bo=
ok in Cortez. Or book both places for the 28th, but a bunch of cancellations=
at the last minute seems unfair.<BR>
<BR>
Dick, what are you planning?<BR>
<BR>
While I like the idea of cutting off a half hour at the beginning, the drive=
to Page is almost all 65 mph 2-lane highway, According to my calculations i=
t should be about 5 hours, 45 minutes of driving time for 292 miles.<BR>
<BR>
Mark<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
________________________________<BR>
<BR>
=A0 =A0 From: jonat-chat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-chat-admin@autox=
.team.net] On Behalf Of RMac@aol.com<BR>
=A0 =A0 Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:00 PM<BR>
=A0 =A0 To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net<BR>
=A0 =A0 Subject: [JONAT-chat] Re: [JONAT-chat] Mesa Verde=A0 (Colorado secto=
r) lodging<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 Dick, thanks for making the effort!=A0 Apparently the electronic res=
ervations system for Aramark is down, and Orbitz was simply defaulting to "n=
o rooms available."=A0=A0 Good news for us.<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 Here is the official Motels list for the Colorado Sector:<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 Night of:<BR>
=A0 =A0 April 24=A0 =A0=A0 Golden Hotel, Golden CO<BR>
=A0 =A0 April 25=A0 =A0=A0 Golden Hotel, Golden CO<BR>
=A0 =A0 April 26=A0 =A0=A0 Best Western Tomichi Village Inn, Gunnison=A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 April 27=A0 =A0=A0 Far View Lodge, Mesa Verde NP<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0=A0 alternate:=A0 =A0=A0 Best Western Durango Inn And Suites, Dur=
ango<BR>
=A0 =A0 April 28=A0 =A0=A0 Best Western Sands, Cortez<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0=A0 alternate:=A0 =A0=A0 Far View Lodge, Mesa Verde NP<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 Details are attached as ColoradoLodging.pdf for Dick and Mark.=A0 An=
yone else who is interesed can read it at http://tinyurl.com/2j8kd<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 I will be staying at home for the Golden/Denver nights, and the list=
ed motels the other nights.=A0 Right now no one but myself and my rider are=20=
joining at Golden.<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 I will change my own reservations to Far View Lodge on the 27 and Be=
st Western - Cortez on the 28.=A0 The drive to Page will be a long one, and=20=
the half hour head start will help lengthen the time available for sightseei=
ng.=A0 Being half the price helps, too. Those who value peace and quiet over=
a telephone connection, and not having to vacate their room every single mo=
rning, will probably prefer to stay both nights at the Lodge.<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 The afternoon tour of Mesa Verde is unavailable until after May 1, u=
nfortunately. The morning and all-day tours, however, are available and I sh=
all probably be taking the all-day tour myself.=A0 Tour-free exploration is=20=
available for those who prefer it, except for key ruins.=A0 Those require a=20=
Ranger escort, but are inexpensive ($2.75 for a one hour tour) and run hourl=
y for the ruins open this early in the season.=A0 If you do not wish to devo=
te an entire day to the Park, stay in Durango Tuesday night and spend the mo=
rning seeing the sights there.<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 By the way, Best Western shows all their rates on their own site, an=
d these match the best which can be gotten from the discount websites such a=
s Orbitz and Travelocity. You should be aware that the cheapest rate for one=
BW is NOT necessarily the cheapest rate at another. I am AAA rate at two of=
them and "BestRates" at the third.<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 Dick and Mark, you are two thirds of the Colorado contingent at the=20=
moment. Your input is welcome.<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 --<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO<BR>
=A0 =A0 1990 VDP Majestic<BR>
=A0 =A0 Coordinator, Colorado Sector <http://homepage.mac.com/robertmacle=
ay/.Public/JONAT-CO/COHighlights.html><BR>
=A0 =A0 Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 In a message dated 3/23/04 11:53:57 AM, dhile@enterprise-lakepowell.=
com writes:<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0<BR>
<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 We have a group of rooms reserved at the Far View Lodge at M=
esa Verde.<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Participants are to call 1-800-449-2288, which is a direct l=
ine to<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Reservations and mention JONAT ( or "the Jaguar Group")<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 We are receiving a 25% discount and the rate is $82.00/night=
plus tax.<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NOTE: This is the ONLY lodging in the Park and those who mis=
s out will<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 probably have to find accommodations in Cortez or Mancos (go=
od luck) which<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 will complicate things if they want to tour the ruins, etc.<=
BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I strongly advise that participants contact Far View IMMEDIA=
TELY and reserve<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 a room. The General Manager will hold them as long as possib=
le but they<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 won't last forever. This is a very popular tourist attractio=
n and bus tours<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 are common, so one bus can wipe out a lot of rooms.<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 BTW, the GM at Far View is also interested in buying a 120FH=
C, so let me<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 know if anyone has a line on one.<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Dick Hile<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Arizona ASC<BR>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<BR>
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