[JONAT-chat] Re: [JONAT-chat] Re: [JONAT-chat] Mesa Ver de  (Colorado sector) lodging

Jamie - JONAT jonat-chat@autox.team.net
Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:45:28 -0800


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Robert?  Have you had any contact with Steve Crase?  When I was down =
that way last fall he mentioned his desire to help JONAT organize =
things.

Jamie

Jamie & Dru - Tulalip, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
89 XJS V12 Convertible - Butch
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 14, 2004 - July 10, 2004
Executive Committee Member
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: RMac@aol.com=20
  To: marks@jaguarot.com ; jonat-chat@autox.team.net=20
  Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:24 PM
  Subject: [JONAT-chat] Re: [JONAT-chat] Mesa Verde  (Colorado sector) =
lodging


  A couple of items:

  Re the handoff: Entrance to MVNP is $10 per car if you do not have a =
National Parks Pass, so for those not touring the Park, it would be a =
burden.  Also, while Microsoft's MapBlast says it's a 32 minute trip =
from Far View Lodge to the Cortez motel, other sources call this wildly =
optimistic.  I am flexible on this.  Might I suggest the handoff be =
dinner at the Far View Lodge restaurant on April 28?

  Re the schedule change:
  If you are confused, I am frustrated to the point of chewing on the =
carpet.  I changed  the route in November, but cannot get the route =
changed on the official itinerary.  Check the list mail archives and =
search for messages with subject headings which include "Hijacking =
Texas" and "NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO".  The only real change I have made =
since then was to extend the Tuesday April 27 leg by 40 miles from =
Durango to MVNP because the afternoon tour was unavailable and I was =
trying to eliminate a 7:30 AM start to catch the morninig tour.

  As far as the route between Texas and Golden is concerned, it seems at =
this moment irrelevant; no one has expressed any interest in joining it. =
  I made route suggestions on a couple of occasions, but have run into a =
maddening wall of indifference.  Let Mark McDavid take the Houston leg =
wherever he pleases; there is no need to consider getting from there to =
here.  Our mascot will need to travel FedEx to get from Houston to =
Golden.=20

  I am not quite finished with my hour-by-hour schedule, but hope to =
have it to you Real Soon Now -- perhaps 48 hours.

  Robert


  In a message dated 3/23/04 1:43:00 PM, marks@jaguarot.com writes:



    Robert,

    You have me totally confused. Here's the itinerary cut and pasted =
from the website:

    OKLAHOMA CITY
    April 23    Friday    Dallas / Ft. Worth    to    Oklahoma City      =
      =20
    April 24    Saturday    Oklahoma City    to    ?            =20
    April 25    Sunday    ?    to    Garden City OK            =20
    DENVER
    April 26    Monday    Garden City OK    to    Golden CO            =20
    April 27    Tuesday    Golden CO    to    Gunnison CO            =20
    April 28    Wednesday    Gunnison CO    to    Mesa Verde National =
Park CO    3 hour park tour  =20

    Is there a route change not posted? Bob! Help! :-)

    Does this revision mean you want to do the hand-off in Cortez? =
Yikes! My sector is already to go with Mesa Verde as the handoff. I =
could redo it starting at Cortez. Either that or we should keep the =
handoff at Far View. If we are down to a week or less to go and we don't =
have a bunch of people trying to join us at Mesa Verde, then we can wing =
it and cancel and Mesa Verde and book in Cortez. Or book both places for =
the 28th, but a bunch of cancellations at the last minute seems unfair.

    Dick, what are you planning?

    While I like the idea of cutting off a half hour at the beginning, =
the drive to Page is almost all 65 mph 2-lane highway, According to my =
calculations it should be about 5 hours, 45 minutes of driving time for =
292 miles.

    Mark


    ________________________________

        From: jonat-chat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-chat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RMac@aol.com
        Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:00 PM
        To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net
        Subject: [JONAT-chat] Re: [JONAT-chat] Mesa Verde  (Colorado =
sector) lodging
      =20
      =20
        Dick, thanks for making the effort!  Apparently the electronic =
reservations system for Aramark is down, and Orbitz was simply =
defaulting to "no rooms available."   Good news for us.
      =20
        Here is the official Motels list for the Colorado Sector:
      =20
        Night of:
        April 24     Golden Hotel, Golden CO
        April 25     Golden Hotel, Golden CO
        April 26     Best Western Tomichi Village Inn, Gunnison=20
        April 27     Far View Lodge, Mesa Verde NP
           alternate:     Best Western Durango Inn And Suites, Durango
        April 28     Best Western Sands, Cortez
           alternate:     Far View Lodge, Mesa Verde NP
      =20
        Details are attached as ColoradoLodging.pdf for Dick and Mark.  =
Anyone else who is interesed can read it at http://tinyurl.com/2j8kd
      =20
        I will be staying at home for the Golden/Denver nights, and the =
listed motels the other nights.  Right now no one but myself and my =
rider are joining at Golden.
      =20
        I will change my own reservations to Far View Lodge on the 27 =
and Best Western - Cortez on the 28.  The drive to Page will be a long =
one, and the half hour head start will help lengthen the time available =
for sightseeing.  Being half the price helps, too. Those who value peace =
and quiet over a telephone connection, and not having to vacate their =
room every single morning, will probably prefer to stay both nights at =
the Lodge.
      =20
        The afternoon tour of Mesa Verde is unavailable until after May =
1, unfortunately. The morning and all-day tours, however, are available =
and I shall probably be taking the all-day tour myself.  Tour-free =
exploration is available for those who prefer it, except for key ruins.  =
Those require a Ranger escort, but are inexpensive ($2.75 for a one hour =
tour) and run hourly for the ruins open this early in the season.  If =
you do not wish to devote an entire day to the Park, stay in Durango =
Tuesday night and spend the morning seeing the sights there.
      =20
        By the way, Best Western shows all their rates on their own =
site, and these match the best which can be gotten from the discount =
websites such as Orbitz and Travelocity. You should be aware that the =
cheapest rate for one BW is NOT necessarily the cheapest rate at =
another. I am AAA rate at two of them and "BestRates" at the third.
      =20
        Dick and Mark, you are two thirds of the Colorado contingent at =
the moment. Your input is welcome.
      =20
        --
      =20
        Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO
        1990 VDP Majestic
        Coordinator, Colorado Sector =
<http://homepage.mac.com/robertmacleay/.Public/JONAT-CO/COHighlights.html=
>
        Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org
      =20
      =20
      =20
        In a message dated 3/23/04 11:53:57 AM, =
dhile@enterprise-lakepowell.com writes:
      =20
      =20
      =20

            We have a group of rooms reserved at the Far View Lodge at =
Mesa Verde.
            Participants are to call 1-800-449-2288, which is a direct =
line to
            Reservations and mention JONAT ( or "the Jaguar Group")
            We are receiving a 25% discount and the rate is $82.00/night =
plus tax.
          =20
            NOTE: This is the ONLY lodging in the Park and those who =
miss out will
            probably have to find accommodations in Cortez or Mancos =
(good luck) which
            will complicate things if they want to tour the ruins, etc.
          =20
            I strongly advise that participants contact Far View =
IMMEDIATELY and reserve
            a room. The General Manager will hold them as long as =
possible but they
            won't last forever. This is a very popular tourist =
attraction and bus tours
            are common, so one bus can wipe out a lot of rooms.
          =20
            BTW, the GM at Far View is also interested in buying a =
120FHC, so let me
            know if anyone has a line on one.
          =20
            Dick Hile
            Arizona ASC
          =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Robert?&nbsp; Have you had any contact =
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<DIV>Jamie</DIV>
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<DIV>Jamie &amp; Dru - Tulalip, WA<BR>88 Series III V12 VdP - =
Roxanne<BR>89 XJS=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT-chat] Re: =
[JONAT-chat]=20
  Mesa Verde&nbsp; (Colorado sector) lodging</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3DGeneva =
color=3D#000000=20
  size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">A couple of items:<BR><BR>Re the =
handoff: Entrance=20
  to MVNP is $10 per car if you do not have a National Parks Pass, so =
for those=20
  not touring the Park, it would be a burden.&nbsp; Also, while =
Microsoft's=20
  MapBlast says it's a 32 minute trip from Far View Lodge to the Cortez =
motel,=20
  other sources call this wildly optimistic.&nbsp; I am flexible on =
this.&nbsp;=20
  Might I suggest the handoff be dinner at the Far View Lodge restaurant =
on=20
  April 28?<BR><BR>Re the schedule change:<BR>If you are confused, I am=20
  frustrated to the point of chewing on the carpet.&nbsp; I =
changed&nbsp; the=20
  route in November, but cannot get the route changed on the official=20
  itinerary.&nbsp; Check the list mail archives and search for messages =
with=20
  subject headings which include "Hijacking Texas" and "NO NO NO NO NO =
NO NO=20
  NO".&nbsp; The only real change I have made since then was to extend =
the=20
  Tuesday April 27 leg by 40 miles from Durango to MVNP because the =
afternoon=20
  tour was unavailable and I was trying to eliminate a 7:30 AM start to =
catch=20
  the morninig tour.<BR><BR>As far as the route between Texas and Golden =
is=20
  concerned, it seems at this moment irrelevant; no one has expressed =
any=20
  interest in joining it.&nbsp;&nbsp; I made route suggestions on a =
couple of=20
  occasions, but have run into a maddening wall of indifference.&nbsp; =
Let Mark=20
  McDavid take the Houston leg wherever he pleases; there is no need to =
consider=20
  getting from there to here.&nbsp; Our mascot will need to travel FedEx =
to get=20
  from Houston to Golden. <BR><BR>I am not quite finished with my =
hour-by-hour=20
  schedule, but hope to have it to you Real Soon Now -- perhaps 48=20
  hours.<BR><BR>Robert<BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 3/23/04 1:43:00 PM, =

  marks@jaguarot.com writes:<BR><BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
  cite=3D"" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT face=3DGeneva color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Robert,<BR><BR>You have me totally confused. =
Here's the=20
    itinerary cut and pasted from the website:<BR><BR>OKLAHOMA =
CITY<BR>April=20
    23&nbsp; &nbsp; Friday&nbsp; &nbsp; Dallas / Ft. Worth&nbsp; &nbsp; =
to&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; Oklahoma City&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>April 24&nbsp; &nbsp; Saturday&nbsp; &nbsp; Oklahoma =
City&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; to&nbsp; &nbsp; ?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>April 25&nbsp; &nbsp; Sunday&nbsp; &nbsp; ?&nbsp; &nbsp; =
to&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; Garden City OK&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>DENVER<BR>April 26&nbsp; &nbsp; Monday&nbsp; &nbsp; Garden =
City=20
    OK&nbsp; &nbsp; to&nbsp; &nbsp; Golden CO&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>April 27&nbsp; &nbsp; Tuesday&nbsp; &nbsp; Golden =
CO&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; to&nbsp; &nbsp; Gunnison CO&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>April 28&nbsp; &nbsp; Wednesday&nbsp; &nbsp; Gunnison =
CO&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; to&nbsp; &nbsp; Mesa Verde National Park CO&nbsp; &nbsp; 3 =
hour park=20
    tour&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR><BR>Is there a route change not posted? Bob! =
Help!=20
    :-)<BR><BR>Does this revision mean you want to do the hand-off in =
Cortez?=20
    Yikes! My sector is already to go with Mesa Verde as the handoff. I =
could=20
    redo it starting at Cortez. Either that or we should keep the =
handoff at Far=20
    View. If we are down to a week or less to go and we don't have a =
bunch of=20
    people trying to join us at Mesa Verde, then we can wing it and =
cancel and=20
    Mesa Verde and book in Cortez. Or book both places for the 28th, but =
a bunch=20
    of cancellations at the last minute seems unfair.<BR><BR>Dick, what =
are you=20
    planning?<BR><BR>While I like the idea of cutting off a half hour at =
the=20
    beginning, the drive to Page is almost all 65 mph 2-lane highway, =
According=20
    to my calculations it should be about 5 hours, 45 minutes of driving =
time=20
    for 292=20
    =
miles.<BR><BR>Mark<BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>&nb=
sp;=20
    &nbsp; From: jonat-chat-admin@autox.team.net=20
    [mailto:jonat-chat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
RMac@aol.com<BR>&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:00 PM<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; To:=20
    jonat-chat@autox.team.net<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; Subject: [JONAT-chat] Re: =

    [JONAT-chat] Mesa Verde&nbsp; (Colorado sector) lodging<BR>&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; Dick, thanks for making the =

    effort!&nbsp; Apparently the electronic reservations system for =
Aramark is=20
    down, and Orbitz was simply defaulting to "no rooms =
available."&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    Good news for us.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; Here is the =
official=20
    Motels list for the Colorado Sector:<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; Night=20
    of:<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; April 24&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Golden Hotel, =
Golden=20
    CO<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; April 25&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Golden Hotel, Golden =

    CO<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; April 26&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Best Western Tomichi =
Village=20
    Inn, Gunnison&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; April 27&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Far =
View=20
    Lodge, Mesa Verde NP<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; alternate:&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;&nbsp; Best Western Durango Inn And Suites, Durango<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    April 28&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Best Western Sands, Cortez<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;&nbsp; alternate:&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Far View Lodge, Mesa =
Verde=20
    NP<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; Details are attached as=20
    ColoradoLodging.pdf for Dick and Mark.&nbsp; Anyone else who is =
interesed=20
    can read it at http://tinyurl.com/2j8kd<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; I=20
    will be staying at home for the Golden/Denver nights, and the listed =
motels=20
    the other nights.&nbsp; Right now no one but myself and my rider are =
joining=20
    at Golden.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; I will change my own=20
    reservations to Far View Lodge on the 27 and Best Western - Cortez =
on the=20
    28.&nbsp; The drive to Page will be a long one, and the half hour =
head start=20
    will help lengthen the time available for sightseeing.&nbsp; Being =
half the=20
    price helps, too. Those who value peace and quiet over a telephone=20
    connection, and not having to vacate their room every single =
morning, will=20
    probably prefer to stay both nights at the Lodge.<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; The afternoon tour of Mesa Verde is unavailable until after =
May 1,=20
    unfortunately. The morning and all-day tours, however, are available =
and I=20
    shall probably be taking the all-day tour myself.&nbsp; Tour-free=20
    exploration is available for those who prefer it, except for key=20
    ruins.&nbsp; Those require a Ranger escort, but are inexpensive =
($2.75 for a=20
    one hour tour) and run hourly for the ruins open this early in the=20
    season.&nbsp; If you do not wish to devote an entire day to the =
Park, stay=20
    in Durango Tuesday night and spend the morning seeing the sights=20
    there.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; By the way, Best Western =
shows all=20
    their rates on their own site, and these match the best which can be =
gotten=20
    from the discount websites such as Orbitz and Travelocity. You =
should be=20
    aware that the cheapest rate for one BW is NOT necessarily the =
cheapest rate=20
    at another. I am AAA rate at two of them and "BestRates" at the=20
    third.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; Dick and Mark, you are two =
thirds=20
    of the Colorado contingent at the moment. Your input is =
welcome.<BR>&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; --<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; Robert =
MacLeay=20
    - Denver, CO<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 1990 VDP Majestic<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;=20
    Coordinator, Colorado Sector=20
    =
&lt;http://homepage.mac.com/robertmacleay/.Public/JONAT-CO/COHighlights.h=
tml&gt;<BR>&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - =
http://jonat.org<BR>&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; In a =
message dated=20
    3/23/04 11:53:57 AM, dhile@enterprise-lakepowell.com =
writes:<BR>&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    We have a group of rooms reserved at the Far View Lodge at Mesa=20
    Verde.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Participants are to call=20
    1-800-449-2288, which is a direct line to<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    Reservations and mention JONAT ( or "the Jaguar Group")<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; &nbsp; We are receiving a 25% discount and the rate is =
$82.00/night=20
    plus tax.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    NOTE: This is the ONLY lodging in the Park and those who miss out=20
    will<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; probably have to find =
accommodations in=20
    Cortez or Mancos (good luck) which<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
will=20
    complicate things if they want to tour the ruins, etc.<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I strongly advise that=20
    participants contact Far View IMMEDIATELY and reserve<BR>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; &nbsp; a room. The General Manager will hold them as long as =
possible=20
    but they<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; won't last forever. This is =
a very=20
    popular tourist attraction and bus tours<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; are=20
    common, so one bus can wipe out a lot of rooms.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BTW, the GM at Far View is =
also=20
    interested in buying a 120FHC, so let me<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; know=20
    if anyone has a line on one.<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; &nbsp; Dick Hile<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Arizona =
ASC<BR>&nbsp;=20
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