[JONAT] RE: FYI
Dr Gregory Andrachuk
jonat@autox.team.net
Thu Dec 4 11:47:01 2003
Mark: well said on all points. But regarding route books: If the number of
participants is large, this could be a burden on the SC's and their personal
finances if they are expected to pre-pay. There is no budget, after all, for
the individual sectors. CAA/AAA: their normal practice is to provide
battery assistance, or to tow the car anywhere within a 5 km radius; beyond
that it is chargeable to the car owner, I think, and they normally like to
take the car to a CAA/AAA affliated station, which may not be, almost
certainly is not going to be a Jaguar mechanic. I really think that we
should be urging the individuals to have their own membership AND prepare
their cars properly so that most eventualities are covered. You cannot
foresee a distributor failure, but there is no need for coolant hose failure
if the car is prepared properly (I may live to regret that I said this; even
new hoses can fail).
Gregory
Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Stephenson" <marks@jonat.org>
To: <jonat@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: FYI
: If we keep this simple, what sector costs do we have? I can only think of
: two.
:
: 1. The cost to drive the route and case the hotels, and
: 2. The cost to print up route books.
:
: Regarding #1, I consider that a part of the fun of being an SC. If someone
: wants to reimburse me, that's fine, but I'm not expecting it. If charging
: people to cover the costs means fewer people on the trip, I would prefer
to
: not be reimbursed.
:
: Regarding route books, on our registration form, we should have checkboxes
: for the sectors the participants will be driving and a couple boxes for
: route books. For example:
:
: Route books
:
: ( ) I will download and print my own
: ( ) I will purchase route books at the beginning of each sector for $10.00
: each
:
: (...or whatever, making it the same for each sector for simplicity. but it
: should be high enough to cover the cost of Xeroxing the largest route book
: with about 50% tacked on so the SCs can afford to have a few extra copies
: for the people who forget theirs.)
:
: So, for #2, the SCs will be reimbursed directly by the participants and we
: eliminate the hassle of divvying up funds.
:
: What do we have for JONAT-wide costs?
:
: I'm sure we can get additions to this by the folks at the top who are
doing
: yeoman's work, but at this point, the ones that are obvious to me would be
:
: 1. memorabilia items (covered by the participants)
: 2. binder with tabs for the route maps (covered by the participants)
: 3. web site stuff, especially if it has been costing anyone anything out
of
: pocket
: 4. Fazal's airfare (just kidding ;->)
:
: Feel free to add to the list -- it is something we should enumerate. Then,
: when we have something close to a total we need to determine if we have
: enough to justify a JONAT fee and all the complications it will create. If
: the amount is small, could it be more easily covered by some markup on
: memorabilia items? (Let me know if we need anything like that. I have a
: place I deal with here for some of our local and some JCNA items.)
:
: I'm with the K.I.S.S. group. If we can negotiate a special rate with
AAA/CAA
: and offer it to the participants like we are with the lodging (i.e. call
and
: mention JONAT and you'll receive the special rate for the special time
: period) or if they will offer coverage for free then I say, "Go for it."
:
: Everything we consider should be viewed through the dual lenses of "will
: this increase participation in JONAT" balanced with "how much more effort
: will this be for the top brass and SCs." Free blanket coverage for
everyone
: or xAA coverage at a special rate arranged by the participant directly
: through xAA might entice a handful of people to sign up who otherwise
: wouldn't and it should not be a great burden to set up.
:
: OTOH, I think we should avoid a JONAT-wide participation fee if at all
: possible. It complicates administration. Sector fees will complicate
things
: even more. Generally, making people pay more won't increase turnout.
:
: Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
: April 15 - July 4, 2004
: Visit the Pub for route discussions
:
: ________________________________
:
: From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]
: On Behalf Of Bob
: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 6:53 AM
: To: jonat@autox.team.net
: Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: FYI
:
:
: If I remember this thread correctly, were we not going to try to
: offer CAA/AAA a sponsorship if they were to provide gratis breakdown
: services(?)
:
: Regarding fees, if we have a single registration fee (an idea which
: I like by the way) rather than a Sector fee, then how do we divvy up the
: fees for the Sectors to cover their costs: examples would be someone who
: does 1 Sector vs. someone who does 7. Do I also get the impression that
the
: suggestion is that Sector events would be charged not as part of the
Sector
: fee, but on an entrance ticket to each event type basis? We might be able
: to make this work but the question is how.
:
: And yes, the JONAT fees should only cover the basic minimum in my
: opinion so the costs can be kept down.
:
:
: Bob England
:
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
: [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
: Sent: December 3, 2003 9:09 PM
: To: jonat@autox.team.net
: Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: FYI
:
:
: It seems complicated to administer with two separate fees.Will the
: sector fees be rationalized so that there is little if any variation?.
: Someone who drives six or seven sectors or even all of them may run into
: wildly varying costs depending on how complex the arrangements are for the
: sector.
:
: If the CAA/AAA offer a discounted short membership will it come from
: the overall fee? What about those who already have CAA/AAA coverage-will
: that mean two possible overall fees?
:
: This is a nightmare. I suggest that if a participant has their head
: screwed on and their car may suffer a dilemma it would be prudent that
they
: have their own coverage.
:
: We should restrict charges to participants to those things that are
: absolutely essential for the group and can only be arranged by the sectors
: or national leadership:
:
: Insurance to cover all our liability
: Advertising(where it will gain us sponsors)
: Printing of critical information for participants
: and ???????
:
: Mike
:
: --
: Mike O'Brien
: Ottawa Sector Coordinator
: Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat)
: http://www.jonat.org
:
: Bob wrote:
:
:
: Mike
:
: I think we will see a Tour registration fee, and a Sector
: registration fee.
: That is, a Tour registration fee to cover overall Tour
: related costs
: (insurance, perhaps grille badges, etc.) and a Sector
: registration fee to
: cover maps, events, and the like. No fees have been set yet
: (as far as I
: know).
:
: Any other thoughts on this?
:
: Bob
:
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
: [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
: Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
: Sent: December 3, 2003 6:24 PM
: To: jonat@autox.team.net
: Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: FYI
:
:
: I am prepared to approach CAA headquarters in Ottawa but I
: am not up to
: speed on registration. Are we talking about one fee for
: the entire
: tour, one fee for each sector or what? And if any of the
: above apply
: what amount has been set and to whom is it paid?
:
: --
: Mike O'Brien
: Ottawa Sector Coordinator
: Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat)
: http://www.jonat.org
:
:
: Bob wrote:
:
:
:
: This would be a great idea ... we might offer a
: small degree of free
: advertising with this. Does anyone have any
: contacts with AAA or CAA ?
:
: Bob England
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
: [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
: Behalf Of Robert MacLeay
: Sent: November 29, 2003 10:40 PM
: To: JONAT list
: Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: FYI
:
: A thought about repairs:
:
: It would be nice to be able to offer free AAA
: emergency service with
: paid registration, for the duration of the tour.
:
: Anyone care to offer to negotiate with them (and
: their Canadian
: counterpart, CAA) on behalf of the group?
:
:
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