[JONAT] RE: FYI

[Ian Bailey]

Agree
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <engl@accesscomm.ca>
To: <jonat@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: FYI


> I think if ALL Sectors could agree to no fee for participants on a Sector
> basis, that would certainly simplify things.  I would assume then that any
> planned events would be covered 100% by sponsorships arranged by the
Sectors
> themselves (?)
>
> If we can do the same JONAT-wide, so much the better.  However, when you
add
> in things like insurance, someone will have to work pretty hard to work
this
> one through.
>
> On the other hand, charging $0 might not attract participants either.  I
> have learned over the years that people generally place value on items
based
> on what the have had to pay for it ( in hours, dollars, or whatever).  My
> own personal thought would be to have at least a JONAT wide fee kept to a
> minimum - any and all profits to charity.
>
> Bob England
> '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
> Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
> Route Coordinator
> http://www.jonat.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
> Sent: December 4, 2003 11:53 AM
> To: jonat@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: FYI
>
>
> If we keep this simple, what sector costs do we have? I can only think of
> two.
>
> 1. The cost to drive the route and case the hotels, and
> 2. The cost to print up route books.
>
> Regarding #1, I consider that a part of the fun of being an SC. If someone
> wants to reimburse me, that's fine, but I'm not expecting it. If charging
> people to cover the costs means fewer people on the trip, I would prefer
to
> not be reimbursed.
>
> Regarding route books, on our registration form, we should have checkboxes
> for the sectors the participants will be driving and a couple boxes for
> route books. For example:
>
> Route books
>
> ( ) I will download and print my own
> ( ) I will purchase route books at the beginning of each sector for $10.00
> each
>
> (...or whatever, making it the same for each sector for simplicity. but it
> should be high enough to cover the cost of Xeroxing the largest route book
> with about 50% tacked on so the SCs can afford to have a few extra copies
> for the people who forget theirs.)
>
> So, for #2, the SCs will be reimbursed directly by the participants and we
> eliminate the hassle of divvying up funds.
>
> What do we have for JONAT-wide costs?
>
> I'm sure we can get additions to this by the folks at the top who are
doing
> yeoman's work, but at this point, the ones that are obvious to me would be
>
> 1. memorabilia items (covered by the participants)
> 2. binder with tabs for the route maps (covered by the participants)
> 3. web site stuff, especially if it has been costing anyone anything out
of
> pocket
> 4. Fazal's airfare (just kidding ;->)
>
> Feel free to add to the list -- it is something we should enumerate. Then,
> when we have something close to a total we need to determine if we have
> enough to justify a JONAT fee and all the complications it will create. If
> the amount is small, could it be more easily covered by some markup on
> memorabilia items? (Let me know if we need anything like that. I have a
> place I deal with here for some of our local and some JCNA items.)
>
> I'm with the K.I.S.S. group. If we can negotiate a special rate with
AAA/CAA
> and offer it to the participants like we are with the lodging (i.e. call
and
> mention JONAT and you'll receive the special rate for the special time
> period) or if they will offer coverage for free then I say, "Go for it."
>
> Everything we consider should be viewed through the dual lenses of "will
> this increase participation in JONAT" balanced with "how much more effort
> will this be for the top brass and SCs." Free blanket coverage for
everyone
> or xAA coverage at a special rate arranged by the participant directly
> through xAA might entice a handful of people to sign up who otherwise
> wouldn't and it should not be a great burden to set up.
>
> OTOH, I think we should avoid a JONAT-wide participation fee if at all
> possible. It complicates administration. Sector fees will complicate
things
> even more. Generally, making people pay more won't increase turnout.
>
> Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
> Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
> April 15 - July 4, 2004
> Visit the Pub for route discussions
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 6:53 AM
> To: jonat@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: FYI
>
>
> If I remember this thread correctly, were we not going to try to
> offer CAA/AAA a sponsorship if they were to provide gratis breakdown
> services(?)
>
> Regarding fees, if we have a single registration fee (an idea which
> I like by the way) rather than a Sector fee, then how do we divvy up the
> fees for the Sectors to cover their costs: examples would be someone who
> does 1 Sector vs. someone who does 7.  Do I also get the impression that
the
> suggestion is that Sector events would be charged not as part of the
Sector
> fee, but on an entrance ticket to each event type basis?  We might be able
> to make this work but the question is how.
>
> And yes, the JONAT fees should only cover the basic minimum in my
> opinion so the costs can be kept down.
>
>
> Bob England
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
> Sent: December 3, 2003 9:09 PM
> To: jonat@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: FYI
>
>
> It seems complicated to administer with two separate fees.Will the
> sector fees be rationalized so that there is little if any variation?.
> Someone who drives six or seven sectors or even all of them may run into
> wildly varying costs depending on how complex the arrangements are for the
> sector.
>
> If the CAA/AAA offer a discounted short membership will it come from
> the overall fee? What about those who already have CAA/AAA coverage-will
> that mean two possible overall fees?
>
> This is a nightmare. I suggest that if a participant has their head
> screwed on and their car may suffer a dilemma it would be prudent that
they
> have their own coverage.
>
> We should restrict charges to participants to those things that are
> absolutely essential for the group and can only be arranged by the sectors
> or national leadership:
>
> Insurance to cover all our liability
> Advertising(where it will gain us sponsors)
> Printing of critical information for participants
> and   ???????
>
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike O'Brien
> Ottawa Sector Coordinator
> Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat)
> http://www.jonat.org
>
> Bob wrote:
>
>
> Mike
>
> I think we will see a Tour registration fee, and a Sector
> registration fee.
> That is, a Tour registration fee to cover overall Tour
> related costs
> (insurance, perhaps grille badges, etc.) and a Sector
> registration fee to
> cover maps, events, and the like.  No fees have been set yet
> (as far as I
> know).
>
> Any other thoughts on this?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
> Sent: December 3, 2003 6:24 PM
> To: jonat@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: FYI
>
>
> I am prepared to approach CAA headquarters in Ottawa but I
> am not up to
> speed on  registration. Are we talking about one  fee for
> the entire
> tour, one fee for each sector or what? And if any of the
> above apply
> what amount has been set and to whom is it paid?
>
> --
> Mike O'Brien
> Ottawa Sector Coordinator
> Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat)
> http://www.jonat.org
>
>
> Bob wrote:
>
>
>
> This would be a great idea ... we might offer a
> small degree of free
> advertising with this.  Does anyone have any
> contacts with AAA or CAA ?
>
> Bob England
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Robert MacLeay
> Sent: November 29, 2003 10:40 PM
> To: JONAT list
> Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: FYI
>
> A thought about repairs:
>
> It would be nice to be able to offer free AAA
> emergency service with
> paid registration, for the duration of the tour.
>
> Anyone care to offer to negotiate with them (and
> their Canadian
> counterpart, CAA) on behalf of the group?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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