[JONAT] "Daily Plan or Buddy System"; was - SECTOR ROUTES
Jamie - JONAT
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed May 7 06:02:01 2003
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On that subject I'm hoping the "buddy system" will help out here. =
During most of the Tour I'm sure someone will somehow usually pair up =
with at least one other Tourer and probably have at least a lunch =
together if not travel in pairs (at a minimum). This kind of goes along =
with the thought that we as Jaguar owners are generally the type to =
attract "like kinds" and enjoy each other's war stories and such.
It's basically an "unwritten rule" and/or expectation, at least as I was =
brought up, that when I join a group event I have a responsibility to =
the group to conduct myself in a manner which does not reflect badly on =
the group and to ensure that at least one other person in the group =
knows my general whereabouts at all times.
This reflects on my "maturity" statement I mentioned in another post on =
this subject. We can only "lead a Jaguar driver to water, we cannot =
make them ...", but we can be clear as to the expectations of the Group.
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Fazal Cader=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
However, as an organised event, I feel that the organisers/SC will =
have some responsibility to ensure that all official participants are =
safely out of their sectors. A 'handover' so to speak.=20
Maybe everyone should 'log a flight plan' at the start of a sector so =
that in a possible emergency situation the appropriate authorities can =
be told a bit more than 'I dunno where they went'.=20
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do =
with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much =
baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded =
across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange =
to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, =
for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made =
some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, =
or disappear.
Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact =
information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's =
should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of =
individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always =
be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have =
to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even =
talked about such a thing).
Gregory
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Mouton=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course =
folks can take a different way. My only worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for
some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured =
group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20
guarantee to be there for them. =20
If we choose a less-structured
option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our =
responsibilities=20
to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do =
if
someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured =
folks=20
can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until =
the=20
stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them =
up?
I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20
here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them =
all.
Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe =
and
wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as
a glorious group.
Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to =
choose? =20
Jerry
Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps =
rouler!"
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is =
to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very =
start, and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we =
have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more =
structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops =
for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the =
Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and =
end of each Sector.
Am I understanding this correctly? =20
My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more =
towards the structured end. This new less structured option will have =
definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. =
Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured =
option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom =
others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box".
I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the =
International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are =
regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two =
structure type of tour?
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM
Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more =
relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure.
Gregory
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM
In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing =
for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), =
I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly =
distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a =
stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a =
main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point =
or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following =
Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the =
way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of =
interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web =
page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing =
how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". =
Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, =
mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
Comments?
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On that subject I'm hoping the "buddy =
system" will=20
help out here. During most of the Tour I'm sure someone will =
somehow=20
usually pair up with at least one other Tourer and probably have at =
least a=20
lunch together if not travel in pairs (at a minimum). This kind of =
goes=20
along with the thought that we as Jaguar owners are generally the type =
to=20
attract "like kinds" and enjoy each other's war stories and =
such.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's basically an "unwritten rule" =
and/or=20
expectation, at least as I was brought up, that when I join a group =
event I have=20
a responsibility to the group to conduct myself in a manner which does =
not=20
reflect badly on the group and to ensure that at least one other person =
in the=20
group knows my general whereabouts at all times.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This reflects on my "maturity" =
statement I=20
mentioned in another post on this subject. We can only "lead a =
Jaguar=20
driver to water, we cannot make them ...", but we can be clear as to the =
expectations of the Group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA<BR>88 Series III V12 VdP - =
Roxanne<BR>Jaguar=20
Owner's North American Tour - <A=20
href=3D"http://jonat.org">http://jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - July =
4,=20
2004<BR></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dfazalc@usa.net href=3D"mailto:fazalc@usa.net">Fazal =
Cader</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 =
4:02=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR =
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, as an organised event, I =
feel that the=20
organisers/SC will have some responsibility to ensure that all =
official=20
participants are safely out of their sectors. A 'handover' so to =
speak.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe everyone should 'log a flight =
plan' at the=20
start of a sector so that in a possible emergency situation the =
appropriate=20
authorities can be told a bit more than 'I dunno where they went'.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fazal Cader<BR>Executive Committee, =
ISC -=20
Australia<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - <A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org">www.jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - =
July 4,=20
2004</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dv12-vdp@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr =
Gregory=20
Andrachuk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 =
3:51=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry: you raise a very good point. =
Your=20
concern about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the =
point:=20
just how much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I am =
getting the=20
picture of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by =
their=20
teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to =
point B for=20
a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of=20
reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made some=20
arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, =
or=20
disappear.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Clearly, all =
participants=20
should be provided with contact information if they really have a =
problem,=20
but I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping =
track=20
of the whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with =
others, but=20
there will always be some who want to strike out on their own and =
the SC's=20
should not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our =
segment we=20
haven't even talked about such a thing).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
=20
=
=20
=
=20
=20
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djerry@moutons.org =
href=3D"mailto:jerry@moutons.org">Jerry=20
Mouton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 =
10:25=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR =
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will try to have a structured =
route and=20
stop plan, but of course </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>folks can take a different =
way. My only=20
worry is when</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wanderers come up with car =
problems and can't=20
reach us, for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>some reason. We can leave =
it to them,=20
but I hope we will have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>some mechanical assistance and =
parts=20
available with the structured </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>group. And, we may not be =
able to get=20
to some wide wanderers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>without leaving the rest of the =
group at=20
loose ends, so they</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will have to be self-reliant =
wanderers. =20
I don't think we can </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>guarantee to be there for =
them. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If we choose a =
less-structured</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>option, I believe we have =
to clearly=20
tell folks the limits of our responsibilities </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to those who take it. What =
will those=20
limits be? What do we do if</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>someone fails to show up at an =
official=20
checkpoint? Structured folks </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>can be located easily -- the =
others? Do=20
we hold up the tour until the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>stragglers are located? Do =
we arrange a=20
possee to go scare them up?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope I can introduce out of =
towners to some=20
little-known routes </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>here, but they will want to come =
along with=20
the crowd to see them all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Those in the structured group =
will be=20
priviledged to strike awe and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wonder into the appreciative =
inhabitants of=20
Northern California as</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a glorious group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps there could be some =
alternative=20
structured paths to choose? </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry=20
=
Mouton &=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; =20
"Laissez les bons temps rouler!"</DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@jonat.org href=3D"mailto:engl@jonat.org">Bob</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, =
2003 9:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] =
SECTOR=20
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>Just so I =
fully=20
understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each =
Sector,=20
only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the =
very=20
end. Between these two official stops, we have two options =
for the=20
participants: the first would be a little more structured with=20
recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for =
eats; the=20
second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour =
where they=20
wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of =
each=20
Sector.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>Am I =
understanding this=20
correctly? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>My comments =
: to be=20
honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured =
end. =20
This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal =
to a=20
number of people, giving them more freedom. =
Others will=20
appreciate camaraderie and organization of the=20
structured option. And still others will choose=20
structure some days, and freedom others. The idea has got =
me=20
thinking a little more "out of the box".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>I'd =
definitely like to=20
hear comments from all the SC's and the International =
Coordinators as=20
well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour =
goers. Anyone have experience with a two structure type of =
tour?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bob England<BR>'69 E-Type & '72 =
XJ6<BR>Jaguar=20
Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/">http://www.jonat.org</A></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>Sent:</B> May 6, =
2003 9:00=20
PM<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jamie: excellent! much =
better! This gives=20
everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20
structure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
=20
=20
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May =
06, 2003=20
7:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In view of Gregory's =
request (& the=20
fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't =
come out=20
exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those =
two=20
Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the =
time versus=20
days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point =
each=20
night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main =
starting=20
point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or =
gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the=20
following Sector for their starting point), this should do =
the=20
trick. Along the way we can of course have a =
"suggested route"=20
with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops =
could be=20
a regular listing on the main web page for that =
particular=20
Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from =
the=20
"suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". =
Along with=20
the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel =
stops,=20
mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that =
web=20
page.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Comments?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20
=
WA</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>=
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