[JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES
Jamie - JONAT
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed May 7 05:54:01 2003
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I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too many conditions on =
this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish to be so =
regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of folks which do =
like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of. Not to =
mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low =
reliability from your older Jaguar.
Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report yesterday on the J-L =
Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as "finicky", =
(afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at times =
negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, etc.), =
Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any catastrophic =
events come up. An owner still has to be a responsible "automobile" =
user in that he/she should determine whether or not their vehicle can or =
should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and enjoy the =
relative safety of same.
I feel we can provide both a group camaraderie situation as well as an =
alternate individual routing availability. It should be up to each SC =
as to how many alternates they wish to provide on their Site page and =
Sector Handouts. If an SC takes the responsibility to have these =
Alternate Routings, then they also are taking on the responsibility to =
provide the Services List for the Alternate Route too. And as discussed =
earlier the Services List consists of possible accommodation, fuel =
stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations, etc. If a Tourer =
elects to further off the beaten or recommended route? Then they are =
totally "on their own" and it should be made clear to them those are the =
parameters involved.
The SC shouldn't have to feel overwhelmed either though. Both Mark and =
Michael's routings to Reno and Phoenix are what I consider to be "side =
or alternate routings" to the main Tour Route. My point here is that an =
SC should or can be able to find an assistant to help with the Side =
Route setup and information gathering if they wish. Remember an SC is a =
JONAT Focal, or Manager if you will, for a certain Sector along the =
Route. How that Focal (or Manager) runs their part of the business is =
up to them and their particular style. As long as the overall structure =
complies with the same basic structure as set by the JONAT EC and SC =
Committees (you all!) and the output from the Sector (as in subsidiary) =
has an overall affect of good upon the Tour (or Corporation) bottom =
line. And that of course is to "stay in business" and have fun doing =
it.
We want everyone to have fun while joining with the Tour and whether =
they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or more as a loner is, =
and should be, up to each Tourer themselves. We have to rely upon =
everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know either the =
limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits in =
life. We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or close =
enough), babysitters. We are not intending to be one of those super =
pampered cruiseship vacations either. We can only provide some =
information and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it =
would be during any other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any =
other time in America and Canada. I must say that I feel after stating =
the previous that we really will be offering a little more pampering =
than none though, as we will be providing most all information on =
available options up front, instead of someone having to go out and =
totally explore for themselves an area much as I feel I'd have to do if =
I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my own. That area would be a =
total unknown for me and I'd be taking great chances at finding the =
right stops or support for my personal tastes, except information will =
already be available on the Web Site, including names and numbers to =
call for assistance. Much more than I could hope for on my own (except =
maybe for depending on my AAA membership, which may not do me any good =
in Canada - I dunno - yet).
Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's clear I could "talk" some more =
about this. But perhaps the points I'm trying to make are clear (as =
mud?). We all want to have fun and I'm sure we wish to be very proud of =
our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar Tour ever held. But we =
cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over protective and/or =
managerial when it comes to each individuals right to partake in a Tour =
their own individual way. It would quite frankly take a lot of the fun =
out of it for me anyways. Jerry is correct when he states that we need =
to set a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our reliability =
level during the Tour.
Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could =
be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage =
for this statement. Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" =
page of the Web Site (right Greg?)
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Fazal Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2003 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
My experiences have been more towards the structured type of tour and =
the 'organized fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience but =
to help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's =
suggestion as per para 1 is excellent. This way we can accommodate just =
about everyone!
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Mouton=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20
folks can take a different way. My only worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for
some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20
group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20
guarantee to be there for them. =20
If we choose a less-structured
option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our =
responsibilities=20
to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured folks=20
can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until the =
stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up?
I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20
here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as
a glorious group.
Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? =20
Jerry
Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps =
rouler!"
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to =
have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, =
and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two =
options for the participants: the first would be a little more =
structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops =
for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the =
Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and =
end of each Sector.
Am I understanding this correctly? =20
My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards =
the structured end. This new less structured option will have =
definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. =
Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured =
option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom =
others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box".
I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the =
International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are =
regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two =
structure type of tour?
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM
Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed =
pace, but still maintains a structure.
Gregory
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM
In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for =
Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm =
going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly =
distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a =
stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a =
main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point =
or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following =
Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the =
way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of =
interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web =
page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing =
how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". =
Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, =
mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
Comments?
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I see Jerry's point but once again, if =
we put too=20
many conditions on this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not =
wish to=20
be so regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of =
folks which=20
do like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of. =
Not to=20
mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low=20
reliability from your older Jaguar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Especially in light of Pascal's =
roadtrip report=20
yesterday on the J-L Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed =
as=20
"finicky", (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity =
and at=20
times negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, =
etc.), Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any =
catastrophic=20
events come up. An owner still has to be a responsible =
"automobile" user in that he/she should determine whether or not their =
vehicle=20
can or should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and =
enjoy the=20
relative safety of same.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I feel we can provide both a group =
camaraderie=20
situation as well as an alternate individual routing=20
availability. It should be up to each SC as to how many alternates =
they=20
wish to provide on their Site page and Sector Handouts. If an SC =
takes the=20
responsibility to have these Alternate Routings, then they also are =
taking on=20
the responsibility to provide the Services List for the Alternate Route=20
too. And as discussed earlier the Services List consists of =
possible=20
accommodation, fuel stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations, =
etc. =20
If a Tourer elects to further off the beaten or recommended route? =
Then=20
they are totally "on their own" and it should be made clear to them =
those are=20
the parameters involved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The SC shouldn't have to feel =
overwhelmed either=20
though. Both Mark and Michael's routings to Reno and =
Phoenix are=20
what I consider to be "side or alternate routings" to the main Tour =
Route. =20
My point here is that an SC should or can be able to find an =
assistant to=20
help with the Side Route setup and information gathering if they =
wish. =20
Remember an SC is a JONAT Focal, or Manager if you will, for a certain =
Sector=20
along the Route. How that Focal (or Manager) runs their part of =
the=20
business is up to them and their particular style. As long as the =
overall=20
structure complies with the same basic structure as set by the JONAT EC =
and SC=20
Committees (you all!) and the output from the Sector (as in =
subsidiary)=20
has an overall affect of good upon the Tour (or Corporation) bottom =
line. =20
And that of course is to "stay in business" and have fun doing =
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We want everyone to have fun while =
joining with the=20
Tour and whether they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or =
more as a=20
loner is, and should be, up to each Tourer themselves. We have to =
rely=20
upon everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know =
either=20
the limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits in =
life. We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or =
close=20
enough), babysitters. We are not intending to be one of those =
super=20
pampered cruiseship vacations either. We can only provide some =
information=20
and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it would be during =
any=20
other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any other time in =
America=20
and Canada. I must say that I feel after stating the previous that =
we=20
really will be offering a little more pampering than none though, as we =
will be=20
providing most all information on available options up front, instead of =
someone=20
having to go out and totally explore for themselves an area much as I =
feel I'd=20
have to do if I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my own. =
That area=20
would be a total unknown for me and I'd be taking great chances at =
finding the=20
right stops or support for my personal tastes, except information =
will=20
already be available on the Web Site, including names and numbers to =
call for=20
assistance. Much more than I could hope for on my own (except =
maybe for=20
depending on my AAA membership, which may not do me any good in Canada - =
I dunno=20
- yet).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's =
clear I=20
could "talk" some more about this. But perhaps the points I'm =
trying to=20
make are clear (as mud?). We all want to have fun and I'm sure we =
wish=20
to be very proud of our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar =
Tour=20
ever held. But we cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over =
protective=20
and/or managerial when it comes to each individuals right to partake in =
a Tour=20
their own individual way. It would quite frankly take a lot of the =
fun out=20
of it for me anyways. Jerry is correct when he states that we need =
to set=20
a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our reliability level =
during the=20
Tour.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Has anyone been in touch with or know a =
lawyer out=20
here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in =
developing=20
some verbiage for this statement. Once it's identified it can be =
added to=20
the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA<BR>88 Series III V12 VdP - =
Roxanne<BR>Jaguar=20
Owner's North American Tour - <A=20
href=3D"http://jonat.org">http://jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - July =
4,=20
2004<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djerry@moutons.org =
href=3D"mailto:jerry@moutons.org">Fazal</A>=20
Cader</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 07, 2003 =
3:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR =
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>My experiences=20
have been more towards the structured type of tour and the 'organized=20
fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience but to help =
maintain=20
the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's suggestion as per =
para 1 is=20
excellent. This way we can accommodate just about =
everyone!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fazal Cader<BR>Executive Committee, =
ISC -=20
Australia<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - <A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org">www.jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - =
July 4,=20
2004</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djerry@moutons.org href=3D"mailto:jerry@moutons.org">Jerry =
Mouton</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 =
10:25=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR =
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will try to have a structured route =
and stop=20
plan, but of course </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>folks can take a different way. =
My only=20
worry is when</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wanderers come up with car problems =
and can't=20
reach us, for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>some reason. We can leave it to =
them, but I=20
hope we will have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>some mechanical assistance and parts =
available=20
with the structured </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>group. And, we may not be able =
to get to=20
some wide wanderers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>without leaving the rest of the group =
at loose=20
ends, so they</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will have to be self-reliant =
wanderers. I=20
don't think we can </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>guarantee to be there for them. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If we choose a =
less-structured</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>option, I believe we have =
to clearly tell=20
folks the limits of our responsibilities </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to those who take it. What will =
those=20
limits be? What do we do if</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>someone fails to show up at an =
official=20
checkpoint? Structured folks </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>can be located easily -- the =
others? Do we=20
hold up the tour until the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>stragglers are located? Do we =
arrange a=20
possee to go scare them up?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope I can introduce out of towners =
to some=20
little-known routes </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>here, but they will want to come =
along with the=20
crowd to see them all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Those in the structured group will be =
priviledged=20
to strike awe and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wonder into the appreciative =
inhabitants of=20
Northern California as</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a glorious group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps there could be some =
alternative=20
structured paths to choose? </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry=20
=
Mouton &=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; =20
"Laissez les bons temps rouler!"</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@jonat.org href=3D"mailto:engl@jonat.org">Bob</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 =
9:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] SECTOR=20
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>Just so I fully =
understand=20
where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only =
two=20
"official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very =
end. =20
Between these two official stops, we have two options for the =
participants:=20
the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening =
stops=20
and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet =
with the=20
structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they =
are at=20
the beginning and end of each Sector.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>Am I =
understanding this=20
correctly? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>My comments : =
to be honest=20
I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end. =
This new=20
less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number =
of=20
people, giving them more freedom. Others will appreciate=20
camaraderie and organization of the structured option. =
And still=20
others will choose structure some days, and freedom =
others. The=20
idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the =
box".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D851324204-07052003><FONT size=3D2>I'd definitely =
like to hear=20
comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as =
well on=20
this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour =
goers. Anyone=20
have experience with a two structure type of =
tour?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bob England<BR>'69 E-Type & '72 =
XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's=20
North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/">http://www.jonat.org</A></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>Sent:</B> May 6, 2003 =
9:00=20
PM<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jamie: excellent! much better! =
This gives=20
everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20
structure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, =
2003 7:58=20
PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In view of Gregory's request =
(& the=20
fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come =
out=20
exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two =
Sectors=20
and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus =
days. =20
I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a =
bit anal=20
and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time =
at the=20
beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the =
end of=20
a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting =
point),=20
this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course =
have a=20
"suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. =
These=20
stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for =
that=20
particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where =
from=20
the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". =
Along with=20
the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, =
mechanical=20
services and parts, all these can feed from that web =
page.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Comments?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20
WA</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML=
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