[JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES
Dr Gregory Andrachuk
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed May 7 10:27:01 2003
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Jamie: I agree with every point you make. We intend to give the tour =
participants every bit of information and help they need to have a =
pleasant and rewarding experience as *responsible individuals*. I doubt =
that anyone is going to be running an XK 120 without having spares on =
hand. I certainly do not have a spare fuel pump for a 120. That sort of =
thing must be made clear to participants: their cars must be properly =
and reasonably prepared for touring: fresh hoses and belts, good =
batteries, any spares they would reasonably need. Of course, there will =
be emergencies, and this is why we will do our best to have some =
resources. But we are not providing service vans to follow the group =
down the highway, right?
And yes, CAA and AAA memberships are interchangeable. My CAA =
membership will get me service in Phoenix. My membership card has a =
small AAA symbol on the back with a phone number for US emergency road =
service. Iwould hope that AAA members have a corresponding CAA =
designation on their cards. All participants should be encouraged to =
have this sort of coverage and to verify that their own membership will =
get them this service. Canadian participants should be encouraged to =
purchase health travel insurance for the US portion; I suspect that the =
same could be said for US participants coming to Canada. Common sense =
dictates all of this and the prudent traveller will naturally do these =
things, but we cannot be sure that everyone is prudent.
Finally, participants must be made to sign a waiver releasing JONAT =
from any responsibility for any mishap. We need a lawyer (an American =
lawyer) to make sure of this. Anyone out there?
Gregory=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jamie - JONAT=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:51 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR =
ROUTES
I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too many conditions on =
this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish to be so =
regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of folks which do =
like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of. Not to =
mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low =
reliability from your older Jaguar.
Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report yesterday on the J-L =
Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as "finicky", =
(afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at times =
negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, etc.), =
Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any catastrophic =
events come up. An owner still has to be a responsible "automobile" =
user in that he/she should determine whether or not their vehicle can or =
should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and enjoy the =
relative safety of same.
I feel we can provide both a group camaraderie situation as well as an =
alternate individual routing availability. It should be up to each SC =
as to how many alternates they wish to provide on their Site page and =
Sector Handouts. If an SC takes the responsibility to have these =
Alternate Routings, then they also are taking on the responsibility to =
provide the Services List for the Alternate Route too. And as discussed =
earlier the Services List consists of possible accommodation, fuel =
stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations, etc. If a Tourer =
elects to further off the beaten or recommended route? Then they are =
totally "on their own" and it should be made clear to them those are the =
parameters involved.
The SC shouldn't have to feel overwhelmed either though. Both Mark =
and Michael's routings to Reno and Phoenix are what I consider to be =
"side or alternate routings" to the main Tour Route. My point here is =
that an SC should or can be able to find an assistant to help with the =
Side Route setup and information gathering if they wish. Remember an SC =
is a JONAT Focal, or Manager if you will, for a certain Sector along the =
Route. How that Focal (or Manager) runs their part of the business is =
up to them and their particular style. As long as the overall structure =
complies with the same basic structure as set by the JONAT EC and SC =
Committees (you all!) and the output from the Sector (as in subsidiary) =
has an overall affect of good upon the Tour (or Corporation) bottom =
line. And that of course is to "stay in business" and have fun doing =
it.
We want everyone to have fun while joining with the Tour and whether =
they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or more as a loner is, =
and should be, up to each Tourer themselves. We have to rely upon =
everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know either the =
limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits in =
life. We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or close =
enough), babysitters. We are not intending to be one of those super =
pampered cruiseship vacations either. We can only provide some =
information and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it =
would be during any other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any =
other time in America and Canada. I must say that I feel after stating =
the previous that we really will be offering a little more pampering =
than none though, as we will be providing most all information on =
available options up front, instead of someone having to go out and =
totally explore for themselves an area much as I feel I'd have to do if =
I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my own. That area would be a =
total unknown for me and I'd be taking great chances at finding the =
right stops or support for my personal tastes, except information will =
already be available on the Web Site, including names and numbers to =
call for assistance. Much more than I could hope for on my own (except =
maybe for depending on my AAA membership, which may not do me any good =
in Canada - I dunno - yet).
Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's clear I could "talk" some more =
about this. But perhaps the points I'm trying to make are clear (as =
mud?). We all want to have fun and I'm sure we wish to be very proud of =
our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar Tour ever held. But we =
cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over protective and/or =
managerial when it comes to each individuals right to partake in a Tour =
their own individual way. It would quite frankly take a lot of the fun =
out of it for me anyways. Jerry is correct when he states that we need =
to set a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our reliability =
level during the Tour.
Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that =
could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some =
verbiage for this statement. Once it's identified it can be added to =
the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?)
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Fazal Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2003 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
My experiences have been more towards the structured type of tour =
and the 'organized fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience =
but to help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's =
suggestion as per para 1 is excellent. This way we can accommodate just =
about everyone!
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Mouton=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20
folks can take a different way. My only worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for
some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20
group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20
guarantee to be there for them. =20
If we choose a less-structured
option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our =
responsibilities=20
to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured =
folks=20
can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until =
the=20
stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up?
I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20
here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them =
all.
Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as
a glorious group.
Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? =
=20
Jerry
Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps =
rouler!"
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to =
have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, =
and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two =
options for the participants: the first would be a little more =
structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops =
for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the =
Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and =
end of each Sector.
Am I understanding this correctly? =20
My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards =
the structured end. This new less structured option will have =
definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. =
Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured =
option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom =
others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box".
I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the =
International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are =
regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two =
structure type of tour?
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM
Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more =
relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure.
Gregory
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM
In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for =
Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm =
going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly =
distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a =
stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a =
main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point =
or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following =
Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the =
way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of =
interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web =
page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing =
how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". =
Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, =
mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
Comments?
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jamie: I agree with every point you make. We intend
to give the tour participants every bit of information and help they need to
have a pleasant and rewarding experience as *responsible individuals*. I doubt
that anyone is going to be running an XK 120 without having spares on hand. I
certainly do not have a spare fuel pump for a 120. That sort of thing must be
made clear to participants: their cars must be properly and reasonably prepared
for touring: fresh hoses and belts, good batteries, any spares they would
reasonably need. Of course, there will be emergencies, and this is why we will
do our best to have some resources. But we are not providing service vans to
follow the group down the highway, right?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> And yes, CAA and AAA memberships
are interchangeable. My CAA membership will get me service in Phoenix. My
membership card has a small AAA symbol on the back with a phone number for US
emergency road service. Iwould hope that AAA members have a corresponding CAA
designation on their cards. All participants should be encouraged to have
this sort of coverage and to verify that their own membership will get them this
service. Canadian participants should be encouraged to purchase health travel
insurance for the US portion; I suspect that the same could be said for US
participants coming to Canada. Common sense dictates all of this and the prudent
traveller will naturally do these things, but we cannot be sure that everyone is
prudent.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Finally, participants must be
made to sign a waiver releasing JONAT from any responsibility for any mishap. We
need a lawyer (an American lawyer) to make sure of this. Anyone out
there?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Gregory</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jamie@jonat.org href="mailto:jamie@jonat.org">Jamie - JONAT</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour
Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too
many conditions on this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish
to be so regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of folks
which do like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of.
Not to mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low
reliability from your older Jaguar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report
yesterday on the J-L Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as
"finicky", (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at
times negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories,
etc.), Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any
catastrophic events come up. An owner still has to be a
responsible "automobile" user in that he/she should determine whether or not
their vehicle can or should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main
group and enjoy the relative safety of same.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I feel we can provide both a group camaraderie
situation as well as an alternate individual routing
availability. It should be up to each SC as to how many alternates they
wish to provide on their Site page and Sector Handouts. If an SC takes
the responsibility to have these Alternate Routings, then they also are taking
on the responsibility to provide the Services List for the Alternate Route
too. And as discussed earlier the Services List consists of possible
accommodation, fuel stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations,
etc. If a Tourer elects to further off the beaten or recommended
route? Then they are totally "on their own" and it should be made clear
to them those are the parameters involved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The SC shouldn't have to feel overwhelmed either
though. Both Mark and Michael's routings to Reno and
Phoenix are what I consider to be "side or alternate routings" to the
main Tour Route. My point here is that an SC should or can be able
to find an assistant to help with the Side Route setup and information
gathering if they wish. Remember an SC is a JONAT Focal, or Manager if
you will, for a certain Sector along the Route. How that Focal (or
Manager) runs their part of the business is up to them and their particular
style. As long as the overall structure complies with the same basic
structure as set by the JONAT EC and SC Committees (you all!) and the output
from the Sector (as in subsidiary) has an overall affect of good upon
the Tour (or Corporation) bottom line. And that of course is to "stay in
business" and have fun doing it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We want everyone to have fun while joining with
the Tour and whether they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or more
as a loner is, and should be, up to each Tourer themselves. We have to
rely upon everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know
either the limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits
in life. We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or close
enough), babysitters. We are not intending to be one of those super
pampered cruiseship vacations either. We can only provide some
information and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it would be
during any other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any other time
in America and Canada. I must say that I feel after stating the previous
that we really will be offering a little more pampering than none though, as
we will be providing most all information on available options up front,
instead of someone having to go out and totally explore for themselves an area
much as I feel I'd have to do if I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my
own. That area would be a total unknown for me and I'd be taking great
chances at finding the right stops or support for my personal tastes,
except information will already be available on the Web Site, including
names and numbers to call for assistance. Much more than I could hope
for on my own (except maybe for depending on my AAA membership, which may not
do me any good in Canada - I dunno - yet).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's clear I
could "talk" some more about this. But perhaps the points I'm trying to
make are clear (as mud?). We all want to have fun and I'm sure we wish
to be very proud of our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar Tour
ever held. But we cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over
protective and/or managerial when it comes to each individuals right to
partake in a Tour their own individual way. It would quite frankly take
a lot of the fun out of it for me anyways. Jerry is correct when he
states that we need to set a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our
reliability level during the Tour.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer
out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in
developing some verbiage for this statement. Once it's identified it can
be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA<BR>88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne<BR>Jaguar
Owner's North American Tour - <A
href="http://jonat.org">http://jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - July 4,
2004<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jerry@moutons.org href="mailto:jerry@moutons.org">Fazal</A>
Cader</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>To:</B>
<A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 07, 2003 3:55
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>My
experiences have been more towards the structured type of tour and the
'organized fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience but to
help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's suggestion as
per para 1 is excellent. This way we can accommodate just about
everyone!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fazal Cader<BR>Executive Committee, ISC -
Australia<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - <A
href="http://www.jonat.org">www.jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - July 4,
2004</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jerry@moutons.org href="mailto:jerry@moutons.org">Jerry Mouton</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will try to have a structured route and stop
plan, but of course </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>folks can take a different way. My only
worry is when</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>wanderers come up with car problems and can't
reach us, for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>some reason. We can leave it to them, but
I hope we will have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>some mechanical assistance and parts available
with the structured </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>group. And, we may not be able to get to
some wide wanderers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>without leaving the rest of the group at loose
ends, so they</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I
don't think we can </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>guarantee to be there for them.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If we choose a less-structured</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>option, I believe we have to clearly tell
folks the limits of our responsibilities </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>to those who take it. What will those
limits be? What do we do if</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>someone fails to show up at an official
checkpoint? Structured folks </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>can be located easily -- the others? Do
we hold up the tour until the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>stragglers are located? Do we arrange a
possee to go scare them up?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope I can introduce out of towners to some
little-known routes </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>here, but they will want to come along with the
crowd to see them all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Those in the structured group will be
priviledged to strike awe and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of
Northern California as</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a glorious group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps there could be some alternative
structured paths to choose? </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry
Mouton
"Laissez les bons temps rouler!"</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=engl@jonat.org href="mailto:engl@jonat.org">Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] SECTOR
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=851324204-07052003><FONT size=2>Just so I fully
understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector,
only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very
end. Between these two official stops, we have two options for the
participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended
evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be
to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except
making sure they are at the beginning and end of each
Sector.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=851324204-07052003><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=851324204-07052003><FONT size=2>Am I understanding this
correctly? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=851324204-07052003><FONT size=2>My comments : to be
honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.
This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a
number of people, giving them more freedom. Others will
appreciate camaraderie and organization of the
structured option. And still others will choose structure
some days, and freedom others. The idea has got me thinking a little
more "out of the box".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=851324204-07052003><FONT size=2>I'd definitely like to
hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well
on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.
Anyone have experience with a two structure type of
tour?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bob England<BR>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar
Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR><A
href="http://www.jonat.org/">http://www.jonat.org</A></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives
everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a
structure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In view of Gregory's request (& the
fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out
exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors
and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus
days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night
is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point
and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering
location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for
their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way
we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of
interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the
main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own
maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point
to "divert". Along with the original idea of suggested lodging,
eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can
feed from that web page.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Comments?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jamie Duffey - Everett,
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