[JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES
Jerry Mouton
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed May 7 10:19:01 2003
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Jamie,
I am not suggesting putting any conditions on the tour at all.
But I am in favor of making it clear that if you go out on your own,
you're out on your own.
And perhaps we need to consider asking participants to sign
a release form to protect ourselves and our families, as you note.
Yes, Pascal's car makes long trips all the time. Mine made the
2500 miles no problem. But I can point out that one of our
Challenge Championship participants in an XK150 had their
front wheel, brakes, and part of the suspension depart at speed,
and it was very lucky that they were not hurt or worse. I wouldn't
say they were irresponsible auto owners -- they had no way
to predict this result of old, weary metal. "This"
Jaguar will make 25,000 miles with ease. "That" one will
have some unfortunate breakdown. =20
I am really in favor of having a very free tour, and basically
if you don't show up somewhere, you just don't show up.
Backing that up with a support crew for people who encounter=20
difficulties on or near the official tour, and some kind of =
commuincation
setup is all I think of for "babysitting". But we have to consider
our liability and the need for us to properly set the expectations
of the participants -- and to legally establish our limits.
Jerry
Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps =
rouler!"
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jamie - JONAT=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:51 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR =
ROUTES
I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too many conditions on =
this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish to be so =
regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of folks which do =
like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of. Not to =
mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low =
reliability from your older Jaguar.
Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report yesterday on the J-L =
Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as "finicky", =
(afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at times =
negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, etc.), =
Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any catastrophic =
events come up. An owner still has to be a responsible "automobile" =
user in that he/she should determine whether or not their vehicle can or =
should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and enjoy the =
relative safety of same.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jamie,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not suggesting putting any =
conditions on the=20
tour at all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But I am in favor of making it clear =
that if you go=20
out on your own,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you're out on your own.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And perhaps we need to consider asking =
participants=20
to sign</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a release form to protect ourselves and =
our=20
families, as you note.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, Pascal's car makes long trips all =
the=20
time. Mine made the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2500 miles no problem. But I can =
point out=20
that one of our</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Challenge Championship participants in =
an XK150 had=20
their</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>front wheel, brakes, and part of the =
suspension=20
depart at speed,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and it was very lucky that they were =
not hurt or=20
worse. I wouldn't</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>say they were irresponsible auto owners =
-- they had=20
no way</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to predict this result of old, weary =
metal. =20
"This"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jaguar will make 25,000 miles with =
ease. =20
"That" one will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>have some unfortunate breakdown. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am really in favor of having a very =
free tour,=20
and basically</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if you don't show up somewhere, you =
just don't show=20
up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Backing that up with a support =
crew for people=20
who encounter </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>difficulties</FONT> <FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>on=20
or near the official tour, and some kind of commuincation</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>setup is all I think of for =
"babysitting". =20
But we have to consider</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>our liability and the need for us to =
properly set=20
the expectations</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of the participants -- and to legally =
establish our=20
limits.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry=20
Mouton &=
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"Laissez les bons temps rouler!"</DIV>
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<A title=3Djamie@jonat.org href=3D"mailto:jamie@jonat.org">Jamie - =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 =
4:51=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] Individual vs. =
Tour=20
Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I see Jerry's point but once again, =
if we put too=20
many conditions on this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will =
not wish=20
to be so regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of =
folks=20
which do like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care =
of. =20
Not to mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have =
experienced a low=20
reliability from your older Jaguar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Especially in light of Pascal's =
roadtrip report=20
yesterday on the J-L Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly =
viewed as=20
"finicky", (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity =
and at=20
times negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas =
stories,=20
etc.), Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any=20
catastrophic events come up. An owner still has to =
be a=20
responsible "automobile" user in that he/she should determine whether =
or not=20
their vehicle can or should go off wandering by itself or stick to a =
main=20
group and enjoy the relative safety of same.</FONT></DIV>
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