[JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Dr Gregory Andrachuk jonat@autox.team.net
Wed May 7 10:37:01 2003


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Jerry: you are absolutely right, accidents do happen, and sadly, some people expect others to pay for their mistakes and lack of prudence. You are right on the mark again when you say that the participants should sign a release form.
                                Gregory
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  From: Jerry Mouton 
  To: jonat@autox.team.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES


  Gregory,

  My point is that in real life, those limits are sometimes set by the 
  judge and jury after the fact.  No way to avoid that completely.

  But by making the limits clear, and having the participants sign a
  legal agreement that they understand our limits, we make it less
  likely.  So we need this discussion to clarify what our responsibilities
  should be, and then defining the agreement.

  Jerry

  Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk 
    To: jonat@autox.team.net 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:04 AM
    Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES


    We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                        Gregory
                                                
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jerry Mouton 
      To: jonat@autox.team.net 
      Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 PM
      Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES


      Subhead 

      "Family sues organizers for negligence"

      After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -)

      Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry: you are absolutely right, accidents do 
happen, and&nbsp;sadly, some people expect others to pay for their mistakes and 
lack of prudence. You are right on the mark again when you say that the 
participants should sign a release form.</FONT></DIV>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=jerry@moutons.org href="mailto:jerry@moutons.org">Jerry Mouton</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:19 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gregory,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My point is that in real life, those limits are 
  sometimes set by the </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>judge and jury after the fact.&nbsp; No way to 
  avoid that completely.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But by making the limits clear, and having the 
  participants sign a</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>legal agreement that they understand our limits, 
  we make it less</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>likely.&nbsp; So we need this discussion to 
  clarify what our responsibilities</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>should be, and then defining the 
  agreement.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Jerry 
  Mouton&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"</DIV>
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    <A title=v12-vdp@shaw.ca href="mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr Gregory 
    Andrachuk</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
    href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:04 
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR 
ROUTES</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We are not police, nor minders, nor 
    baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from 
    one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected 
    of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our 
    responsibilitie</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>s now. Some of us may not feel 
    we can or should have such responsibilities.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
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    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
      <A title=jerry@moutons.org href="mailto:jerry@moutons.org">Jerry 
      Mouton</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
      href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR 
      ROUTES</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subhead </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Family sues organizers for 
      negligence"</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens 
      ; -)</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Jerry 
      Mouton&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"</DIV>
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