[JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Jerry Mouton jonat@autox.team.net
Wed May 7 10:23:01 2003


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Gregory,

My point is that in real life, those limits are sometimes set by the=20
judge and jury after the fact.  No way to avoid that completely.

But by making the limits clear, and having the participants sign a
legal agreement that they understand our limits, we make it less
likely.  So we need this discussion to clarify what our responsibilities
should be, and then defining the agreement.

Jerry

Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps =
rouler!"
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20
  To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES


  We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides =
in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting =
heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like =
to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel =
we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                      Gregory
                                             =20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Jerry Mouton=20
    To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
    Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES


    Subhead=20

    "Family sues organizers for negligence"

    After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -)

    Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps =
rouler!"

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gregory,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My point is that in real life, those =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subhead </FONT></DIV>
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    negligence"</FONT></DIV>
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