[JONAT] Tour Support Vehicle
Dr Gregory Andrachuk
jonat@autox.team.net
Thu May 8 11:04:01 2003
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MessageAh.... you mean a vehicle which will make the entire tour route! a good idea, if it can be done.
Gregory
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From: Fazal Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Tour Support Vehicle
Gregory et al, we are working on the concept of a Tour Support vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel with the tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for sale) and tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics. Every Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a hand along the way. That's it.
The tour may be divided between a couple of these, from different companies, just to spread the load.
[An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring trailer-truck would be nice!]
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
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From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
But Mark, since people are going to want to do different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have a follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a cycle tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There won't be any "final vehicle" of "all the participants" to follow. Our idea is that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, garages, an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more slowly, etc.
Gregory
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From: Mark Stephenson
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
I agree with what I think was the foregoing.
There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out on their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO.
We can't babysit everyone.
Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
April 15 - July 4, 2004
Visit the Pub for route discussions
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
Gregory
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM
We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
Gregory
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ah.... you mean a vehicle which will make the
entire tour route! a good idea, if it can be done.</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=fazalc@usa.net href="mailto:fazalc@usa.net">Fazal Cader</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:07
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] Tour Support
Vehicle</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gregory et al, we are working on the concept of a
Tour Support vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel with
the tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for sale)
and tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics.
Every Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a
hand along the way. That's it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The tour may be divided between a couple of
these, from different companies, just to spread the load.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>[An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring trailer-truck would
be nice!]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fazal Cader<BR>Executive Committee, ISC -
Australia<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - <A
href="http://www.jonat.org">www.jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - July 4,
2004</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=v12-vdp@shaw.ca href="mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr Gregory
Andrachuk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR
ROUTES</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But Mark, since people are going to want to do
different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have a
follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a
cycle tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There
won't be any "final vehicle" of "all the participants" to follow. Our
idea is that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels,
garages, an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or
many, will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there
will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more
slowly, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Gregory </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=marks@jonat.org href="mailto:marks@jonat.org">Mark Stephenson</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] SECTOR
ROUTES</DIV>
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face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=980015605-08052003><FONT size=2>I agree with what I think
was the foregoing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=980015605-08052003><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=980015605-08052003><FONT size=2>There is a route,
and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing vehicle
that will follow the proscribed route behind all the participants. It
is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and
equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out
on their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the
directions, they are on their own, IMHO.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=980015605-08052003><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=980015605-08052003><FONT size=2>We can't babysit
everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=980015605-08052003><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona<BR>Jaguar
Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)<BR>April 15 - July 4,
2004<BR>Visit the Pub for route discussions
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Bob<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT]
SECTOR ROUTES<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912521901-08052003><FONT
size=2>Gregory</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912521901-08052003><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912521901-08052003><FONT size=2>I liken the SC's
coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through
their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent
discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a
route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a
gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own
are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone
numbers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912521901-08052003><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912521901-08052003><FONT size=2>Each Sector will have
its own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, we
have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some
financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal
worries for the organizers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912521901-08052003><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912521901-08052003><FONT size=2>I have a hunch some
Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. THAT
freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite
unique.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<P>Bob England<BR>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North
American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR><A
href="http://www.jonat.org/">http://www.jonat.org</A></P></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>Sent:</B> May 7, 2003 10:05
AM<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We are not police, nor minders, nor
baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people
from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is
expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our
responsibilitie</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>s now. Some of us may
not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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