[JONAT] Tour Support Vehicle
Fazal Cader
jonat@autox.team.net
Thu May 8 05:10:02 2003
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MessageGregory et al, we are working on the concept of a Tour Support =
vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel with the =
tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for sale) and =
tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics. Every =
Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a =
hand along the way. That's it.=20
The tour may be divided between a couple of these, from different =
companies, just to spread the load.
[An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring trailer-truck would be nice!]
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
But Mark, since people are going to want to do different things along =
the route, I don't see how or why we would have a follow-up vehicle. =
This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a cycle tour where =
you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There won't be any =
"final vehicle" of "all the participants" to follow. Our idea is that =
you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, garages, =
an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, =
will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there =
will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more =
slowly, etc.
Gregory =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mark Stephenson=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
I agree with what I think was the foregoing.
There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a =
trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the =
participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have =
sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone =
decides to strike out on their own and take a different route, or fails =
to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO.
We can't babysit everyone.
Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
April 15 - July 4, 2004
Visit the Pub for route discussions=20
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES
Gregory
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a =
tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the =
highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on =
their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, =
and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on =
their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some =
emergency phone numbers.
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing =
committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards =
only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied =
down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others =
much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour =
quite unique.
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM
We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour =
guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, =
counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I =
would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us =
may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
Gregory
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gregory et al, we are working on the =
concept of a=20
Tour Support vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel =
with the=20
tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for =
sale) and=20
tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics. =
Every=20
Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a =
hand=20
along the way. That's it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The tour may be divided between a =
couple of these,=20
from different companies, just to spread the load.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>[An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring =
trailer-truck would be=20
nice!]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fazal Cader<BR>Executive Committee, ISC =
-=20
Australia<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - <A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org">www.jonat.org</A><BR>April 15, 2004 - July =
4,=20
2004</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dv12-vdp@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr Gregory=20
Andrachuk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 08, 2003 =
4:21=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] SECTOR =
ROUTES</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But Mark, since people are going to =
want to do=20
different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have =
a=20
follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like =
a cycle=20
tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There =
won't be=20
any "final vehicle" of "all the participants" to follow. Our =
idea is=20
that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, =
garages, an=20
emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, =
will=20
travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there =
will be=20
people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more slowly, =
etc.</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory </FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmarks@jonat.org href=3D"mailto:marks@jonat.org">Mark =
Stephenson</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 =
11:01=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] SECTOR=20
ROUTES</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D980015605-08052003><FONT size=3D2>I agree with =
what I think=20
was the foregoing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D980015605-08052003><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D980015605-08052003><FONT size=3D2>There is a =
route,=20
and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing =
vehicle=20
that will follow the proscribed route behind all the =
participants. It=20
is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and =
equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike =
out on=20
their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the =
directions,=20
they are on their own, IMHO.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D980015605-08052003><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D980015605-08052003><FONT size=3D2>We can't =
babysit=20
everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - =
Arizona<BR>Jaguar=20
Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)<BR>April 15 - July 4,=20
2004<BR>Visit the Pub for route discussions =
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jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Bob<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[JONAT]=20
SECTOR ROUTES<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D912521901-08052003><FONT=20
size=3D2>Gregory</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D912521901-08052003><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D912521901-08052003><FONT size=3D2>I =
liken the SC's=20
coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends =
through=20
their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per =
recent=20
discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). =
Plan a=20
route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps =
a =20
gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on =
their own=20
are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency =
phone=20
numbers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D912521901-08052003><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D912521901-08052003><FONT size=3D2>Each Sector =
will have its=20
own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, =
we have=20
to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get =
some=20
financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of =
legal=20
worries for the organizers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D912521901-08052003><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D912521901-08052003><FONT size=3D2>I have a =
hunch some=20
Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. =
THAT=20
freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite=20
unique.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>
<P>Bob England<BR>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North =
American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/">http://www.jonat.org</A></P></FONT></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>Sent:</B> May 7, 2003 =
10:05=20
AM<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We are not police, nor minders, =
nor=20
baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding =
people=20
from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is =
what is=20
expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our=20
responsibilitie</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>s now. Some of =
us may not=20
feel we can or should have such responsibilities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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