[JONAT] Re: San Diego Addition for 2004
Mark Stephenson
jonat@autox.team.net
Thu Oct 16 23:25:01 2003
That's right! Cinco de Mayo. Perfect!
I was semi joking about the Salton Sea Party. My only point was that we can
hit the low hundreds (40C) in Phoenix at 1100 ft. elevation. We can also be
in the 80s (30C). Assuming a similar weather pattern, I'd conclude that it
would be at least 5F hotter at the Salton Sea (-225 ft. elev.). Hence, my
concern for scheduling the drive into the mid afternoon. You could leave the
actual departure time open. If it's cool we can leave later; if it's hot, on
the road at 6:00 a.m. or you're on your own. A quick glance made it look to
me like it's at least 8 hours on the back roads from Lake Havasu to San
Diego. That's why I was suggesting an overnight someplace about six hours
out, which would be somewhere around the Salton Sea. For those of you from
humid areas, temps rise fast in the desert, and it could be as much as 10F
hotter at 3:30 p.m. as it is a noon.
Anyway, those are my meteorological observations based on the weather in
Arizona.
Hazel, you might want to go on the Western Regional Climactic Center,
Climate Summaries <http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/climsum.html>. This will give you
all the daily data including record high, lowest high, record low, highest
low, average high and low, and precip max, min and avg. This covers the
entire western US, for any of the rest of you who want to check it out. For
example, daily summary stats for Mecca, CA, at the north end of the Salton
Sea, <http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?camecc+sca> indicate that
the record high is around 105F and the average is around 92F. The minimum
high was in the mid-seventies.
Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
April 15 - July 4, 2004
Visit the Pub for route discussions
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hazel A. Beck
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:47 AM
> To: Jerry Mouton; Bob England; jonat@autox.team.net
> Cc: Jamie Duffey - JONAT; Michael Jensen - JONAT; Kerry
> Williamson - JONAT; Gregory Andrachuk - JON
> Subject: [JONAT] Re: San Diego Addition for 2004
>
>
> Hi, everyone...thanks for all the e-mails...
>
> Our club held its monthly Board Meeting last evening and I
> shared some of
> your e-mails with them...they are very excited to have our
> city added to the
> tour...we consider San Diego a far better choice than Las Vegas!
>
> They suggested they we time our Winery Tour with your arrival in early
> May...we have our own mini-Napa Valley here in a city called
> Temecula...it's
> just off I-15, less than an hour north of downtown San
> Diego...we map out a
> drive through the winery country and then have a catered
> lunch at one of the
> wineries...we also thought that we could get a contingent of
> cars to meet
> you as you enter San Diego County and join the tour...I could
> also see about
> a tour and dinner at Headquarters in Irvine on the way up to LA.
>
> As for Cinco de Mayo, it's definitely celebrated in San
> Diego...in style.
>
> Re: the Salton Sea Party...there are accomodations in El
> Centro...the Sea is
> pretty isolated...not much around it...a bird sanctuary and geothermal
> plants...cool idea, though...but I'd have to make some inquiries.
>
> Either I-10 or I-8 would work...back roads into San Diego
> either way...and
> the route is across a desert...it shouldn't be too hot yet in
> the first week
> of May.
>
> So...how can we help to make this happen?
>
> Looking forward to talking with you soon,
> Hazel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
> To: "Bob England" <engl@jonat.org>; <jonat@autox.team.net>
> Cc: "Jamie Duffey - JONAT" <jamie@jonat.org>; "Michael Jensen - JONAT"
> <jenfam@sbcglobal.net>; "Kerry Williamson - JONAT"
> <kwilliamson@broadbandnorthwest.com>; "Gregory Andrachuk - JON"
> <v12-vdp@shaw.ca>; <hazelbeck@worldnet.att.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: San Diego Addition for 2004; Re: JONAT Route
>
>
> > No problem here -- I like San Diego better anyway.
> > Extra day is not an issue yet -- it's early days.
> >
> > Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
> > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
> > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob England" <engl@jonat.org>
> > To: <jonat@autox.team.net>
> > Cc: "Jamie Duffey - JONAT" <jamie@jonat.org>; "Jerry
> Moutons - JONAT"
> > <jerry@moutons.org>; "Michael Jensen - JONAT"
> <jenfam@sbcglobal.net>;
> "Kerry
> > Williamson - JONAT" <kwilliamson@broadbandnorthwest.com>; "Gregory
> > Andrachuk - JON" <v12-vdp@shaw.ca>; <hazelbeck@worldnet.att.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:58 AM
> > Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: San Diego Addition for 2004; Re:
> JONAT Route
> >
> >
> > > This seems to be approaching unanimous to skip LV. Any
> other comments,
> > > questions or concerns?
> > >
> > > How about some comments from San Francisco (Jerry
> Mouton), Lake Tahoe
> link
> > > (Michael Jensen), Oregon (Kerry Williamson), Washington
> (Jamie Duffey),
> > and
> > > British Columbia (Gregory Andrachuk) - this may push back
> the schedule a
> > day
> > > or so (won't effect the Vancouver ABFM attendance).
> > >
> > > Bob England
> > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
> > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
> > > Route Coordinator
> > > http://www.jonat.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
> > > Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
> > > Sent: October 16, 2003 12:21 AM
> > > To: jonat@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: San Diego Addition for 2004; Re:
> JONAT Route
> > >
> > >
> > > Another option (which I keep pushing) is to skip LV
> altogether. If we
> > don't
> > > have a LV coordinator and we have an enthusiastic person
> in SD, we can
> > save
> > > LV for 2006. For me, I personally would really like to
> continue on Rt.
> 66
> > > toward LA, but if we go to SD it might be better to go
> from Lake Havasu
> > City
> > > to Parker, AZ, cross the Colorado River go east on CA-62
> and down CA-177
> > to
> > > I-10 and take the back roads to San Diego. Keep in mind,
> this takes us
> > > across some pretty desolate and hot country, so we'd have
> to leave very
> > > early to beat the heat of early May and we might have to
> plan on an
> > > overnight stop around midday. (Perhaps a Salton Sea
> Party?) It would
> > depend
> > > on the average daytime high temps. I was going to say
> that's Ron's call,
> > but
> > > it might be Hazel's.
> > >
> > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
> > > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
> > > April 15 - July 4, 2004
> > > Visit the Pub for route discussions
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On
> > > Behalf Of F. Ronald Rader
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:12 PM
> > > To: jonat@autox.team.net
> > > Cc: Hazel A. Beck; Engl-JONAT; Jamie Duffey - JONAT; Fazal Cader -
> JONAT;
> > > jonat@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: San Diego Addition for 2004; Re:
> JONAT Route
> > >
> > >
> > > Folks:
> > > I think that the route from Las Vegas to San Diego then
> to Los Angeles
> > might
> > > be more interesting than the route from LV to LA.
> > >
> > > Please keep in mind that when entering Los Angeles there
> is 5 o'clock
> > > traffic from every direction. A drive from SD to LA which
> could leave SD
> > at
> > > 8.00 AM would want to be at the west side hotel
> destination by 2.00 PM
> if
> > we
> > > are then going to drive to the Petersen Automotive Museum
> for a car
> > corral,
> > > cocktails and dinner.
> > >
> > > OTOH if we lay over one night in LA, the tour of the
> Petersen Automotive
> > > Museum could be on the layover day with the car show and
> dinner around
> > 6.00
> > > PM.
> > >
> > > I also think it would be a good way of picking up the
> large group of Jag
> > > owners in the greater SD area. IMO I would not spend the
> extra day in
> Las
> > > Vegas. But that is me. As it is now I have arrange for a
> dinner at the
> > > Petersen Automotive Museum on Cinco de Mayo (may 5th)
> 2004. I am sure
> that
> > > we could move that out one night if needed.
> > >
> > > BTW, I spoke with Jason Len of XK's Unlimited (SLO) and
> he would be
> > pleased
> > > to provide economic support in a small way. Perhaps a
> Cocktail party the
> > > night that we are in SLO? Also he would keep his shop
> open that night
> if
> > we
> > > asked in advance. This could be for buying parts, spares, or minor
> repair.
> > >
> > > It would be great if we had a Las Vegas coordinator.
> Mark, what do you
> > > think?
> > >
> > > Ron Rader
> > > Los Angeles Coordinator.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:49 PM 10/15/2003, Bob England wrote:
> > >
> > > Hazel
> > >
> > > It's great to hear from San Diego and I'd sure like to be
> able to tap
> into
> > > your enthusiasm. We have a few options at this point:
> > >
> > > 1. (the easiest) is to have a link tour from San Diego up
> to LA. That
> is,
> > > SD would not be on the main route, but there would be a
> group of San
> > Diegans
> > > travelling from SD (and back of course) to join up with
> the tour in LA,
> > and
> > > hopefully carry on with the Tour a bit from there. We have a few
> similar
> > > situations (Reno, Phoenix, and Saskatoon) so far.
> > >
> > > 2. we could re-route the tour. We do not have a
> Co-ordinator for Las
> > Vegas
> > > as of yet, so an option would be to bypass LV, and go
> from the Phoenix
> > > Sector into SD. This would need the cooperation of Los
> Angeles (Ron
> > Rader)
> > > and Phoenix (Mark Stevenson) as it would mean a change to
> their route.
> We
> > > have a few flex days in Vancouver that would allow the
> timing to work
> out
> > > (it would effect dates through northern California,
> Oregon, Washington,
> > and
> > > the first bit of British Columbia.
> > >
> > > 3. leave SD to be included in "Jaguar Owner's North
> American Tour - The
> > > Sequel", perhaps in 2006.
> > >
> > > My preference would be either 1 or 2.
> > >
> > > I think I'll also open up this discussion to all SC's via
> the mailing
> > list.
> > > There may be some other valuable comments out there, and
> those whose
> > sectors
> > > are effected might want to add in a few comments.
> > >
> > > I'm very much looking forward to seeing San Diego
> participate in some
> form
> > > next year.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob England
> > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
> > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
> > > Route Coordinator
> > > http://www.jonat.org
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jamie - JONAT [mailto:jamie@jonat.org]
> > > Sent: October 15, 2003 12:36 PM
> > > To: Hazel A. Beck
> > > Cc: Engl-JONAT
> > > Subject: San Diego Additon for 2004; Re: JONAT Route
> > >
> > > Hello Hazel, this is actually quite a surprise at this
> point in our
> > > planning. We started over a year ago enlisting
> interested parties in
> the
> > > Tour formation steps which included the routing, length
> of stay in an
> > area,
> > > events or sites included along the way and volunteers to
> help with their
> > > specific areas along the route. Please do not get me
> wrong, we are
> > pleased
> > > that your club is interested in participating in the Tour
> as one of our
> > > goals is to provide another opportunity for fellow Jaguar
> owners to
> enjoy
> > > their choice in vehicle ownership and we feel it is an
> added benefit to
> > > enjoy the comradery of other owners we can meet on a Tour
> such as this
> as
> > > some tourers will be traveling perhaps a couple of
> Sectors while others
> > may
> > > be traveling the entire route.
> > >
> > > We may have a problem adjusting the routing at this late
> date though.
> We
> > > have been organizing the Tour for over the past year, as
> I mentioned,
> and
> > > have already set some dates for certain areas so we can
> specifically
> > attend
> > > certain events in those areas. Therefore I am uncertain
> whether it will
> > be
> > > possible to adjust the routing for this first Tour
> without negatively
> > > affecting other Sector schedules. We can absolutely
> include the San
> Diego
> > > area in the next Tour, I just cannot answer for this
> coming year at this
> > > time. I am forwarding my response to my fellow Executive
> Committee
> > members
> > > and we shall take a look into this routing change. We
> will have to
> > discuss
> > > this with each of the Sector Coordinators "downstream" of
> your location
> > and
> > > see what affect it will have on their plans.
> > >
> > > Do you have a feel for or better yet a solid number of
> people from your
> > Club
> > > which are interested in participating at this time? Do
> you have some
> > events
> > > or sites which you could mention to help us with the
> decision? If we
> > could
> > > revise the Tour at this point, it looks as though it
> would be in your
> area
> > > around the first week of May 2004. Perhaps a Tour of or
> dinner hosted
> by
> > > the Jaguar Headquarters? Or something along those lines?
> > >
> > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
> > > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
> > > 89 XJS V12 Convertible 2 Seater - ????
> > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
> > > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: Hazel A. Beck
> > >
> > > To: admin@jonat.org
> > >
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:12 AM
> > >
> > > Subject: JONAT Route
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi...my name is Hazel Beck, 1st VP of the San Diego
> Jaguar Club...just
> > > wanted to throw our hat into the ring to be added to the
> Tour Route...we
> > are
> > > a very active club with 180 members...there is also a
> large Jaguar Club
> > > (JOC) in southern Orange County, just north of us...and
> Jaguar North
> > > American headquarters (part of the Premier Auto Group) is
> located in
> > > Irvine...Orange County again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From Las Vegas, we are an easy 4-5 hour drive south...it
> would be easy
> to
> > > do
> > > Highway 101 (the Coastal Highway) up from San Diego through Orange
> County
> > an
> > > up to Los Angeles...it takes less than an hour to get to
> Orange County
> and
> > > additional hour from there to LA...it would add a
> fabulous dimension of
> > > automotive history (cruising the 101) and stunning vistas
> to the tour.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So...this is a formal appeal to add San Diego, America's
> Finest City, to
> > the
> > > JONAT. Please feel free to call me if we can help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Hazel A. Beck
> > >
> > > 858.638.0011
> > >
> > >
> > >
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