[JONAT] How do we collect fees ?

Bob jonat@autox.team.net
Sun Feb 1 08:00:01 2004


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Jerry

I like what you are saying, and am starting to think the single higher fee
appropriate, with a portion going to the home SC to cover their fees.  The
only hic-up I can see is ... is $65 to much for the single sector
participant (Bob's question of the other day) that is someone running their
home state or province?

Bob England



 -----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Jerry Mouton
Sent: February 1, 2004 12:22 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?


Consider that the expense for some days on the road -- meals, fuel,
room, drinks, entertainment -- will be many times $65.00.  In some places
here in California, the cheap hotel will be more than $120.  Our SF leg is
6 nights, including $$an Lui$ Obispo, Monterey$$$, $$an Franci$co,
$$t Helena (Napa Valley).  Bring plenty of dough!

If a $65.00 fee scares some people off, they have not been thinking
about what the real costs will be.

A single price for the tour will not cover the costs (if any) for individual
segments.  SCs may be willing to absorb it, I guess, but it's a
truly noble gesture...  Any sector offering a pin will have to pay for
that somehow.  The idea was that those participating in a sector
will get a sector pin, not everyone get every pin.  Of course we can
skip that feature.  If you want to do it, though, every participant
will pay for a pin on every sector they run, or the SCs will.  I prefer
not to sell pins on spec.

Printing of handbooks will probably be a no-cost item.

User pays for events, meals, everything else.

Of course, each SC can get a sponsor who will pay for sector costs --
but what advertising return do they get for their investment?  Others have
ideas here?

Jerry

Jerry Mouton    '64 E Type FHC    "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
      Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
      April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Richard Jones
  To: jonat@autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?


    $65 sounds high to me, since I think many participants will jump on the
tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a pleasant, but
relatively short, drive.  A high fee would discourage these drivers'
participation.  Is there any indication of how many folks plan on doing more
than a short regional leg or two?

    Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems to me that a single
low general tour fee ($45 or less) might be adequate to cover all
organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), eliminating the need for
any sector fees.  A set amount from the general fund could be forwarded to
each SC to draw from to cover  regional printing expenses.  If there is a
special sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to implement, then I
could see collecting a small participation fee from just the people who want
to attend that event at the time the event takes place; those that choose
not to attend the event wouldn't pay this fee.

    At this point in time, having no input on the number of participants, it
is difficult to schedule an event.  More information is needed to come up
with a decent proposal.

    Dick.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bob
      To: jonat@autox.team.net
      Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:38 PM
      Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?


      Dick

      The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer effort.
The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the
sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable
for us volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to
dole out money based on requests from the Sectors.  My own personal opinion
is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own finances.

      I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send
the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable.  We
need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple.  How does that
sound as an alternative ...

      Bob



       -----Original Message-----
      From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Richard Jones
      Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
      To: jonat@autox.team.net
      Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?



        Bob,

        As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What
is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees?  Wouldn't it be
more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour,
which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of sectors
travelled?  So what if people travelling multiple sectors get more bang for
their buck?  This would enable all of the money to all be funneled into one
place (central committee) where it could be managed basically by one person.
If SC's need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then
simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly
where things stand financially.


        Dick.
        Minnesota SC.

        ----- Original Message -----
          From: Bob
          To: jonat@autox.team.net
          Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM
          Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?


          I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour
fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector.  The
downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place,
the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between
central and/or the sectors.  This might not be the best way though ... any
other thoughts?

          We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration
people, one for the US, and one for CANADA.  Jamie/Fazal comments?  I have
started to put together some registration pages at
http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want
to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your
registration by e-mail it does not work yet.
          Bob

           -----Original Message-----
          From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
          Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
          To: jonat@autox.team.net
          Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !



          And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be
collected?
                                              Gregory



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$120.&nbsp; Our SF leg is </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>$$t Helena (Napa Valley).&nbsp; Bring plenty of=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If a $65.00 fee scares some people off, they have =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>about what the real costs will be.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A single price for the tour will not cover the costs =
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for individual</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>segments.&nbsp; SCs may be willing to absorb it, I =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>truly noble gesture...&nbsp; Any sector offering a =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>that somehow.&nbsp; The idea was that those =
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sector</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>will get a sector pin, not everyone get every =
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course we can </FONT></DIV>
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participant</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>will pay for a pin on every sector they run, or the =
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will.&nbsp; I prefer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>not to&nbsp;sell pins on spec.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Printing of handbooks will probably be a no-cost =
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size=3D2>item.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>User pays for events, meals, everything =
else.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Of course, each SC can get a sponsor who will pay =
for sector=20
costs -- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>but what advertising return do they get for their=20
investment?&nbsp; Others have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ideas here?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Jerry Mouton&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '64 E Type FHC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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North=20
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  <A title=3Drjones@mn.rr.com href=3D"mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com">Richard =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] How do we =
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  fees ?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>$65 sounds high to me, since I think many =
participants=20
    will jump on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off =
after a=20
    pleasant, but relatively short, drive.&nbsp; A high fee would =
discourage=20
    these drivers' participation.&nbsp; <FONT color=3D#000080>Is there =
any=20
    indication of how many folks plan on doing more than a short =
regional leg or=20
    two?&nbsp; &nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It =
seems to me=20
    that a single low general tour fee ($45&nbsp;or less) might =
be&nbsp;adequate=20
    to cover all organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), =
eliminating=20
    the need for any sector fees.&nbsp; A set amount from the general =
fund could=20
    be forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover&nbsp; regional=20
    printing&nbsp;expenses.&nbsp; If there is a special sector 'event' =
scheduled=20
    which required&nbsp;funds to implement, then I could see collecting =
a small=20
    participation fee from just the&nbsp;people who want to attend that =
event at=20
    the time the event takes place; those that choose not to attend the =
event=20
    wouldn't&nbsp;pay this fee.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>At this&nbsp;point in time,&nbsp;having no input =
on the=20
    number of participants, it is&nbsp;difficult to schedule an =
event.&nbsp;=20
    More information is needed to come up with a decent proposal.&nbsp;=20
    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, =
2004 5:38=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How do =
we=20
      collect fees ?</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT =
size=3D2>Dick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>The idea is =
to keep=20
      things simple as this is an all volunteer effort.&nbsp; The =
simplest thing=20
      if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to =
collect=20
      theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us =
volunteers=20
      (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out =
money=20
      based on requests from the Sectors.&nbsp; My own personal opinion =
is that=20
      the Sectors need to collect and manage their own=20
      finances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I suppose if =
we collect=20
      $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the=20
      participants' home sector, this might be workable.&nbsp; We need =
to keep=20
      it a fixed amount though to keep it simple.&nbsp; =
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
      class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>How does that sound as =
an=20
      alternative ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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      <DIV>
      <P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
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      size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
      jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf=20
      Of </B>Richard Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 5:19=20
      PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[JONAT] How=20
      do we collect fees ?<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>As I look at this some more, the question =
keeps=20
        popping up....What is the rationale for&nbsp;doing both central =
and=20
        sector fees?&nbsp; Wouldn't it be more manageable to&nbsp;have =
just one=20
        flat fee for participation in the tour,&nbsp;which would be the =
same for=20
        everyone, regardless of the number of </FONT><FONT =
size=3D2>sectors=20
        travelled?&nbsp;&nbsp;So what if people travelling multiple =
sectors get=20
        more bang for their buck?&nbsp; This would enable&nbsp;all of =
the money=20
        to&nbsp;all be funneled into one place (central committee) where =
it=20
        could be managed basically by one person.&nbsp; If SC's need =
funds for=20
        approved requests,&nbsp;the central committee would then simply =
disperse=20
        the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where =
things=20
        stand financially.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Minnesota SC.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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          <A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
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          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January =
31, 2004=20
          12:58 PM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] How do =
we=20
          collect fees ?</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I've put =
some thought=20
          into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected =
centrally,=20
          and Sector fees collected by the Sector.&nbsp; The downside to =
this is=20
          people will be sending their money all over the place, the =
upside is=20
          it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between =
central and/or=20
          the sectors.&nbsp; This might not be the best way though ... =
any other=20
          thoughts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT=20
          size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>We will =
probably also=20
          need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for =
the US,=20
          and one for CANADA.&nbsp; Jamie/Fazal comments?&nbsp; I have =
started=20
          to put together some registration pages at <A=20
          =
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm">h=
ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm</A>&nbsp;if=
=20
          you want to see how things are going on this ... note that =
when you=20
          submit your registration by e-mail it does not work=20
          yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
          class=3D543114718-31012004>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
          <P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
          class=3D543114718-31012004>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
          size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
          jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On=20
          Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, =
2004=20
          10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
          [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ=20
          !<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D2>And, how exactly are these fees (both =
general and=20
          sector) to be collected?</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
          &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
          &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
          &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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