[JONAT] Suggested simple fee structure -
Brad Preiss
jonat@autox.team.net
Sun Feb 1 10:11:02 2004
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Simple solution:
$45 fee if they are only going to drive one leg ( usually the "home" leg )
$65 fee includes as many legs as they like
Sounds like that covers "most" of the expenses?? and address the high
percentage of people only driving a single leg.
And this keeps things fairly simple from a collection standpoint..
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:21 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Once again, Dick, I agree completely. Most participants will do only the
leg closest to home. A fee of over $45 USD is too high.
Practical issues, raised by Dick: 1) events planners need numbers: we
have none. 2) while we can get registrants to send fees to a central JONAT
point 3) now that the suggestion of a common JONAT kit has been made,
exactly how are these to be distributed to participants? I doubt that SC
want to be in the business of receiving boxes of things and having to
distribute them especially as, again, we have no numbers. The cost of
sending these things would be prohibitive. 4) why not let each sector
decide what *if anything* they want to produce for their participants? 5)
the advantages: JONAT central can respond by mail to registrants, sending
them confirmation and a decal or other mailable thing.
A kit is a nice idea, but largely unworkable, and adds significantly
to both costs and logistics.
In my next life, I do NOT want to be the curmudgeon. But sometimes reality
has to intrude. Or have I missed some esssntial point that makes all this
both fun and workable?
Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Jones
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
$65 sounds high to me, since I think many participants will jump on
the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a pleasant, but
relatively short, drive. A high fee would discourage these drivers'
participation. Is there any indication of how many folks plan on doing more
than a short regional leg or two?
Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems to me that a single
low general tour fee ($45 or less) might be adequate to cover all
organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), eliminating the need for
any sector fees. A set amount from the general fund could be forwarded to
each SC to draw from to cover regional printing expenses. If there is a
special sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to implement, then I
could see collecting a small participation fee from just the people who want
to attend that event at the time the event takes place; those that choose
not to attend the event wouldn't pay this fee.
At this point in time, having no input on the number of participants,
it is difficult to schedule an event. More information is needed to come up
with a decent proposal.
Dick.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Dick
The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer
effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and
the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less
manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if
we had to dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own
personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own
finances.
I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send
the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable. We
need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. How does that
sound as an alternative ...
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Bob,
As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What
is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be
more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour,
which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of sectors
travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get more bang for
their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be funneled into one
place (central committee) where it could be managed basically by one person.
If SC's need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then
simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly
where things stand financially.
Dick.
Minnesota SC.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with
Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The
downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place,
the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between
central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any
other thoughts?
We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of
registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal
comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at
http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want
to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your
registration by e-mail it does not work yet.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be
collected?
Gregory
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT size=3D2>Simple=20
solution:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT size=3D2>$45 fee =
if they are only=20
going to drive one leg ( usually the "home" leg )</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT size=3D2>$65 fee =
includes as many=20
legs as they like</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT size=3D2>Sounds like that =
covers "most"=20
of the expenses?? and address the high percentage of people only driving =
a=20
single leg.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D620010617-01022004><FONT size=3D2>And this keeps =
things=20
fairly simple from a collection standpoint..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory=20
Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:21 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] How do we collect =
fees=20
?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Once again, Dick, I agree completely. Most =
participants will=20
do only the leg closest to home. A fee of over $45 USD is too=20
high.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Practical issues, raised by =
Dick: 1)=20
events planners need numbers: we have none. 2) while we can get =
registrants to=20
send fees to a central JONAT point 3) now that the suggestion of =
a=20
common JONAT kit has been made, exactly how are these to be =
distributed to=20
participants? I doubt that SC want to be in the business of receiving =
boxes of=20
things and having to distribute them especially as, again, we have no =
numbers.=20
The cost of sending these things would be prohibitive. 4) why =
not let=20
each sector decide what *if anything* they want to produce for their=20
participants? 5) the advantages: JONAT central can respond by mail to=20
registrants, sending them confirmation and a decal or other mailable=20
thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> A kit is a nice idea, but =
largely=20
unworkable, and adds significantly to both costs and =
logistics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In my next life, I do NOT want to be the =
curmudgeon. But=20
sometimes reality has to intrude. Or have I missed some esssntial =
point that=20
makes all this both fun and workable?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drjones@mn.rr.com href=3D"mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com">Richard =
Jones</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, =
2004 9:41=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] How do =
we collect=20
fees ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>$65 sounds high to me, since I think many =
participants=20
will jump on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off =
after a=20
pleasant, but relatively short, drive. A high fee would =
discourage=20
these drivers' participation. <FONT color=3D#000080>Is there =
any=20
indication of how many folks plan on doing more than a short =
regional leg=20
or two? </FONT> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It =
seems to me=20
that a single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might=20
be adequate to cover all organizational expenses (hats, =
badges,=20
printing), eliminating the need for any sector fees. A set =
amount=20
from the general fund could be forwarded to each SC to draw from =
to=20
cover regional printing expenses. If there is a =
special=20
sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to implement, =
then I=20
could see collecting a small participation fee from just =
the people=20
who want to attend that event at the time the event takes place; =
those=20
that choose not to attend the event wouldn't pay this =
fee. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>At this point in time, having no =
input on the=20
number of participants, it is difficult to schedule an =
event. =20
More information is needed to come up with a decent =
proposal. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January =
31, 2004=20
5:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How =
do we=20
collect fees ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2>Dick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>The idea is =
to keep=20
things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The =
simplest=20
thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors =
to=20
collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable =
for us=20
volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we =
had to=20
dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own =
personal=20
opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own =
finances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I suppose =
if we collect=20
$65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the =
participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need =
to keep=20
it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. =
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>How does that sound as =
an=20
alternative ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Richard Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 =
5:19=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[JONAT] How=20
do we collect fees ?<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
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SessionId=3D"193895750"></LABEL>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As I look at this some more, the question =
keeps=20
popping up....What is the rationale for doing both =
central and=20
sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have =
just=20
one flat fee for participation in the tour, which would =
be the=20
same for everyone, regardless of the number of </FONT><FONT=20
size=3D2>sectors travelled? So what if people =
travelling=20
multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This =
would=20
enable all of the money to all be funneled into one =
place=20
(central committee) where it could be managed basically by one =
person. If SC's need funds for approved =
requests, the=20
central committee would then simply disperse the =
reimbursements from=20
this pot and always know exactly where things stand =
financially. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Minnesota SC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
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href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, =
January 31,=20
2004 12:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] How =
do we=20
collect fees ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I've =
put some=20
thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees =
collected=20
centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. =
The=20
downside to this is people will be sending their money all =
over the=20
place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies =
passing=20
between central and/or the sectors. This might not be =
the best=20
way though ... any other thoughts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>We will =
probably=20
also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, =
one for=20
the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal =
comments? I have=20
started to put together some registration pages at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm">h=
ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm</A> if=
=20
you want to see how things are going on this ... note that =
when you=20
submit your registration by e-mail it does not work=20
yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D543114718-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D543114718-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> January =
31, 2004=20
10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ=20
!<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And, how exactly are these fees (both =
general and=20
sector) to be collected?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =20
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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