[JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Dr Gregory Andrachuk
jonat@autox.team.net
Sun Feb 1 09:23:00 2004
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Once again, Dick, I agree completely. Most participants will do only the leg closest to home. A fee of over $45 USD is too high.
Practical issues, raised by Dick: 1) events planners need numbers: we have none. 2) while we can get registrants to send fees to a central JONAT point 3) now that the suggestion of a common JONAT kit has been made, exactly how are these to be distributed to participants? I doubt that SC want to be in the business of receiving boxes of things and having to distribute them especially as, again, we have no numbers. The cost of sending these things would be prohibitive. 4) why not let each sector decide what *if anything* they want to produce for their participants? 5) the advantages: JONAT central can respond by mail to registrants, sending them confirmation and a decal or other mailable thing.
A kit is a nice idea, but largely unworkable, and adds significantly to both costs and logistics.
In my next life, I do NOT want to be the curmudgeon. But sometimes reality has to intrude. Or have I missed some esssntial point that makes all this both fun and workable?
Gregory
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From: Richard Jones
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
$65 sounds high to me, since I think many participants will jump on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a pleasant, but relatively short, drive. A high fee would discourage these drivers' participation. Is there any indication of how many folks plan on doing more than a short regional leg or two?
Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems to me that a single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might be adequate to cover all organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), eliminating the need for any sector fees. A set amount from the general fund could be forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover regional printing expenses. If there is a special sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to implement, then I could see collecting a small participation fee from just the people who want to attend that event at the time the event takes place; those that choose not to attend the event wouldn't pay this fee.
At this point in time, having no input on the number of participants, it is difficult to schedule an event. More information is needed to come up with a decent proposal.
Dick.
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From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Dick
The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own finances.
I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. How does that sound as an alternative ...
Bob
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Bob,
As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of sectors travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things stand financially.
Dick.
Minnesota SC.
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From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other thoughts?
We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your registration by e-mail it does not work yet.
Bob
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected?
Gregory
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Once again, Dick, I agree completely. Most participants will
do only the leg closest to home. A fee of over $45 USD is too high.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> Practical issues, raised by Dick: 1) events
planners need numbers: we have none. 2) while we can get registrants to send
fees to a central JONAT point 3) now that the suggestion of a common JONAT
kit has been made, exactly how are these to be distributed to participants? I
doubt that SC want to be in the business of receiving boxes of things and having
to distribute them especially as, again, we have no numbers. The cost of sending
these things would be prohibitive. 4) why not let each sector decide what
*if anything* they want to produce for their participants? 5) the advantages:
JONAT central can respond by mail to registrants, sending them confirmation and
a decal or other mailable thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> A kit is a nice idea, but largely
unworkable, and adds significantly to both costs and logistics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>In my next life, I do NOT want to be the curmudgeon. But
sometimes reality has to intrude. Or have I missed some esssntial point that
makes all this both fun and workable?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:41
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] How do we collect
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<DIV><FONT size=2>$65 sounds high to me, since I think many participants
will jump on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a
pleasant, but relatively short, drive. A high fee would discourage
these drivers' participation. <FONT color=#000080>Is there any
indication of how many folks plan on doing more than a short regional leg or
two? </FONT> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems to me
that a single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might be adequate
to cover all organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), eliminating
the need for any sector fees. A set amount from the general fund could
be forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover regional
printing expenses. If there is a special sector 'event' scheduled
which required funds to implement, then I could see collecting a small
participation fee from just the people who want to attend that event at
the time the event takes place; those that choose not to attend the event
wouldn't pay this fee. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>At this point in time, having no input on the
number of participants, it is difficult to schedule an event.
More information is needed to come up with a decent proposal.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=engl@accesscomm.ca href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How do we
collect fees ?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=547472523-31012004><FONT size=2>Dick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=547472523-31012004><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=547472523-31012004><FONT size=2>The idea is to keep
things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing
if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect
theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers
(much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money
based on requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that
the Sectors need to collect and manage their own
finances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=547472523-31012004><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=547472523-31012004><FONT size=2>I suppose if we collect
$65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the
participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep
it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=547472523-31012004><FONT size=2>How does that sound as an
alternative ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT
color=#000000><SPAN
class=547472523-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000000><SPAN
class=547472523-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000000><SPAN
class=547472523-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Richard Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 5:19
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] How
do we collect fees ?<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As I look at this some more, the question keeps
popping up....What is the rationale for doing both central and
sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one
flat fee for participation in the tour, which would be the same for
everyone, regardless of the number of </FONT><FONT size=2>sectors
travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get
more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money
to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where it
could be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for
approved requests, the central committee would then simply disperse
the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things
stand financially. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Minnesota SC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=engl@accesscomm.ca href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004
12:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] How do we
collect fees ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=543114718-31012004><FONT size=2>I've put some thought
into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally,
and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is
people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside is
it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or
the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other
thoughts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=543114718-31012004><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=543114718-31012004><FONT size=2>We will probably also
need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US,
and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started
to put together some registration pages at <A
href="http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm">http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm</A> if
you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you
submit your registration by e-mail it does not work
yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT
color=#000000><SPAN
class=543114718-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000000><SPAN
class=543114718-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004
10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ
!<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>And, how exactly are these fees (both general and
sector) to be collected?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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