[JONAT] How do we collect fees ?

Richard Jones jonat@autox.team.net
Mon Feb 2 11:10:05 2004


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  Once you get past the logo, the web materials, and common interests of =
the participants, I see no particular value to striving for further =
'unification'.  With the given geographical and SC diversity, the tour =
will inherently remain 50+ events; 'unification' will naturally occur as =
a result of the camaraderie of bringing folks together with similar =
interests. =20
  BTW, I like many others, don't plan on collecting any sector fees in =
Minnesota.
  Dick.
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Brad Preiss=20
    To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
    Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:40 AM
    Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?


    I am sorry Mark but I have to completely disagree -=20

    The format you suggest here removes the "unified" status of the =
event - if we pursue this train of thought below we actually have 50+ =
events that simply happen to begin and end at similar times.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
      Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:44 AM
      To: jonat@autox.team.net
      Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?


      Hey, everyone.

      I think we are discussing something that doesn't need discussing. =
If the SC want to collect a fee, let them collect a fee. If they don't =
want to, then don't. I'm not going to collect one. It's too much hassle. =
If people download the itinerary from the Internet, they won't need =
anything from me. If they don't, I'll have a few copies available that =
they can pay me for, or maybe I'll let them pay to have a master copied =
at the hotel.

      If there is a sector fee, it should be listed on the website along =
with the "highly recommended" costs like park entry fees, museum entry =
fees, show entry fees, etc., that the tour is planning to attend.

      I think the EC could put an upper limit on the sector fee, so no =
one is surprised, but hey, if someone downloads the entire route book =
off the Internet and doesn't want to pay a sector fee, what are you =
going to do, flatten a couple tires so they can't follow? We are on =
public roads, so anything anyone pays is, for all intents and purposes, =
voluntary.

      So, we shouldn't be arguing about sector fees, except perhaps to =
list a maximum. Beyond that, it's up to the SCs. A bunch of us have =
already said we aren't charging one.

      Mark - AZ



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        From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
        Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:01 AM
        To: jonat@autox.team.net
        Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?


        I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with =
Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector.  =
The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the =
place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing =
between central and/or the sectors.  This might not be the best way =
though ... any other thoughts?

        We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of =
registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA.  Jamie/Fazal =
comments?  I have started to put together some registration pages at =
http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you =
want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit =
your registration by e-mail it does not work yet.
        Bob=20

         -----Original Message-----
        From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
        Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
        To: jonat@autox.team.net
        Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !



        And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be =
collected?
                                            Gregory


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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Once you get past the logo, the web =
materials,&nbsp;and=20
  common interests of the participants, I see no particular =
value&nbsp;to=20
  striving for further 'unification'.&nbsp;&nbsp;With the given =
geographical and=20
  SC diversity, the tour will&nbsp;inherently remain 50+=20
  events;&nbsp;'unification' will naturally occur&nbsp;as a result =
of&nbsp;the=20
  camaraderie of bringing folks together with similar=20
  interests.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>BTW, I like many others, don't plan on collecting =
any sector=20
  fees in Minnesota.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dbpreiss@cox.net href=3D"mailto:bpreiss@cox.net">Brad =
Preiss</A>=20
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
    href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 02, =
2004 10:40=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How do =
we collect=20
    fees ?</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D910483816-02022004><FONT size=3D2>I am sorry Mark =
but I have=20
    to completely disagree - </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D910483816-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D910483816-02022004><FONT size=3D2>The format you =
suggest here=20
    removes the "unified" status of the event - if we pursue this train =
of=20
    thought below we actually have 50+ events that simply happen to =
begin and=20
    end at similar times.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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      <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
      size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net">jonat-admin@autox.team.net</A>=
=20
      [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark=20
      Stephenson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 02, 2004 2:44 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
      jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How do we =
collect fees=20
      ?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>Hey,=20
      everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =

      size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>I=20
      think we are discussing something that doesn't need discussing. If =
the SC=20
      want to collect a fee, let them collect a fee. If they don't want =
to, then=20
      don't. I'm not going to collect one. It's too much hassle. If =
people=20
      download the itinerary from the Internet, they won't need anything =
from=20
      me. If they don't, I'll have a few copies available that they can =
pay me=20
      for, or maybe I'll let them pay to have a master copied at the=20
      hotel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =

      size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>If=20
      there is a sector fee, it should be listed on the website along =
with the=20
      "highly recommended" costs like park entry fees, museum entry =
fees, show=20
      entry fees, etc., that the tour is planning to =
attend.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =

      size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>I=20
      think the EC could put an upper limit on the sector fee, so no one =
is=20
      surprised, but hey, if someone downloads the entire route book off =
the=20
      Internet and doesn't want to pay a sector fee, what are you going =
to do,=20
      flatten a couple tires so they can't follow? We are on public =
roads, so=20
      anything anyone pays is, for all intents and purposes,=20
      voluntary.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =

      size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>So, we=20
      shouldn't be arguing about sector fees, except perhaps to list a =
maximum.=20
      Beyond that, it's up to the SCs. A bunch of us have already said =
we aren't=20
      charging one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =

      size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>Mark -=20
      AZ</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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        <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
        [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of=20
        </B>Bob<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:01 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
        jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] How do we =
collect fees=20
        ?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I've put =
some thought=20
        into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected =
centrally,=20
        and Sector fees collected by the Sector.&nbsp; The downside to =
this is=20
        people will be sending their money all over the place, the =
upside is it=20
        keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central =
and/or the=20
        sectors.&nbsp; This might not be the best way though ... any =
other=20
        thoughts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>We will =
probably also=20
        need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the =
US, and=20
        one for CANADA.&nbsp; Jamie/Fazal comments?&nbsp; I have started =
to put=20
        together some registration pages at <A=20
        =
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm">h=
ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm</A>&nbsp;if=
=20
        you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when =
you=20
        submit your registration by e-mail it does not work=20
        yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV>
        <P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
        color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
        class=3D543114718-31012004>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
        <P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
        class=3D543114718-31012004>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
        size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
        jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On=20
        Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, =
2004=20
        10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
        [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ=20
        !<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>And, how exactly are these fees (both =
general and=20
        sector) to be collected?</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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