[JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Brad Preiss
jonat@autox.team.net
Mon Feb 2 09:42:02 2004
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I am sorry Mark but I have to completely disagree -
The format you suggest here removes the "unified" status of the event - if
we pursue this train of thought below we actually have 50+ events that
simply happen to begin and end at similar times.
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:44 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Hey, everyone.
I think we are discussing something that doesn't need discussing. If the
SC want to collect a fee, let them collect a fee. If they don't want to,
then don't. I'm not going to collect one. It's too much hassle. If people
download the itinerary from the Internet, they won't need anything from me.
If they don't, I'll have a few copies available that they can pay me for, or
maybe I'll let them pay to have a master copied at the hotel.
If there is a sector fee, it should be listed on the website along with
the "highly recommended" costs like park entry fees, museum entry fees, show
entry fees, etc., that the tour is planning to attend.
I think the EC could put an upper limit on the sector fee, so no one is
surprised, but hey, if someone downloads the entire route book off the
Internet and doesn't want to pay a sector fee, what are you going to do,
flatten a couple tires so they can't follow? We are on public roads, so
anything anyone pays is, for all intents and purposes, voluntary.
So, we shouldn't be arguing about sector fees, except perhaps to list a
maximum. Beyond that, it's up to the SCs. A bunch of us have already said we
aren't charging one.
Mark - AZ
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:01 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees
collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside
to this is people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside
is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or
the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other thoughts?
We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration
people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have
started to put together some registration pages at
http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want
to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your
registration by e-mail it does not work yet.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be
collected?
Gregory
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jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark=20
Stephenson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 02, 2004 2:44 =
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jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How do we collect =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
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everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>I think we=20
are discussing something that doesn't need discussing. If the SC want =
to=20
collect a fee, let them collect a fee. If they don't want to, then =
don't. I'm=20
not going to collect one. It's too much hassle. If people download the =
itinerary from the Internet, they won't need anything from me. If they =
don't,=20
I'll have a few copies available that they can pay me for, or maybe =
I'll let=20
them pay to have a master copied at the hotel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>If there=20
is a sector fee, it should be listed on the website along with the =
"highly=20
recommended" costs like park entry fees, museum entry fees, show entry =
fees,=20
etc., that the tour is planning to attend.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>I think=20
the EC could put an upper limit on the sector fee, so no one is =
surprised, but=20
hey, if someone downloads the entire route book off the Internet and =
doesn't=20
want to pay a sector fee, what are you going to do, flatten a couple =
tires so=20
they can't follow? We are on public roads, so anything anyone pays is, =
for all=20
intents and purposes, voluntary.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>So, we=20
shouldn't be arguing about sector fees, except perhaps to list a =
maximum.=20
Beyond that, it's up to the SCs. A bunch of us have already said we =
aren't=20
charging one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D107553507-02022004><FONT =
size=3D2>Mark -=20
AZ</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Bob<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:01 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] How do we collect =
fees=20
?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I've put some =
thought into=20
this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, =
and Sector=20
fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people =
will be=20
sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it=20
distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the=20
sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other=20
thoughts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>We will =
probably also need=20
fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and =
one for=20
CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put =
together=20
some registration pages at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm">h=
ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm</A> if=
=20
you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you =
submit=20
your registration by e-mail it does not work =
yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><SPAN =
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<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D543114718-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory=20
Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] decision time =
--- REALLY=20
IMPORTANT READ !<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And, how exactly are these fees (both general =
and sector)=20
to be collected?</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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