[JONAT] Questions
Bob
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed Feb 25 14:02:01 2004
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Dave ... great idea but we need volunteers to go out and get the donations
to cover the cost of the Tour ... since we can't even get a volunteer to
help with the registrations, I find this unlikely ... I am doing what I can
(Jaguar Canada, FedEx, etc.) but no positive response yet (just started
these contacts myself this week). I am hopeful though ... Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of D & B Cooke
Sent: February 25, 2004 12:39 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Questions
Bob:
Speaking from the perspective of "Average Joe Jag enthusiast" (if
there is such a thing!! lol), I can say that I would be far more inclined to
participate in JONAT and dig into my pockets if costs were covered by
donation. A letter explaining the costs incurred would go a long way in
encouraging me to dig even deeper. The concept of charging a fee so that I
can drive my own tax paid roads does not sit well with me. And yet, I would
gladly support the cause by donation and I might even cough up more than the
amount of the fee. (provided my wife didn't find out!!)
I think the Jag-lovers donation drive is a very good example of what
can be gained by the volunteer approach.
As the saying goes, "One volunteer is worth ten pressed men."
Dave Cooke
Assistant Sector Coordinator
Victoria Vancouver Sector
www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van
-------Original Message-------
From: jonat@autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:20:27 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Questions
As a business decision it's stupid, I know, particularly as it's not
something I cannot really afford, and the very best scenario is breaking
even. (Although maybe if there are any left over I can sell them on eBay
for $500 each !) If Sectors want to forward some seed money to help out,
that would be appreciated, but certainly not expected.
No, I just have to trust you guys to go out there and get 15 paying
registrants each... if we achieve this goal we will more than break even. I
lived out Gregory's way for 3 years and can't believe there are not 15
people who would join the Tour and pay. Our local club actually has 2
members out that way (about 1200 miles from my home), and I'm sure I could
coerce them to pay the $47, even if they decided not to joint the Tour.
I'm not too worried (ignorance is bliss!). I might ask in return for
putting in the seed money that my company be listed as a Tour sponsor (I
mentioned this to Fazal yesterday and I think he fell off his chair!)
Bob England
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Robert and Darlene Stevenson
Sent: February 25, 2004 10:58 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Questions
Bob2/24/04 5:17 PMengl@accesscomm.ca
Bob,
I find it very disturbing when you talk about laying out $5,000 of
your own money when there is absolutely no way of knowing at this time how
many people will be willing to pay an entry fee. I sure hate to be a
pessimist but I'm afraid that I agree with Dr. Gregory that many may drive
along but few will be willing to pay.
Bob Michigan
Brad
"Local Jaguar Club members would be driving in the tour for free while
the SC's would have to pay even though they did all the work to get this
going " - I have a problem with this too to be honest - I would rather have
an MG type person on the tour willing to pay his meagre share of the costs
of organizing the tour, than some guy in a Jaguar who is freeloading on the
backs of all of us volunteers.
"A good portion of our membership monies will come from participants
that are in the local clubs - this may create a situation where we would not
reach the break even number due to all of the "exempt" drivers in this
scenario" - this would tick me off royally as I'm the guy who is likely
going to have to spring the $5,000 to pay for the registration packages
until the money starts rolling (well trickling really) in.
Regarding the conference call, in our effort to keep costs down, can
we try this on Windows Messenger's voice service? Has anyone done this and
does it work? ( I tried it with Fazal last week and we must have been doing
something wrong - we got Skype to work, but Fazal does not think this works
in a conference mode).
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Brad Preiss
Sent: February 24, 2004 3:24 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Questions
Only problem I have with this addendum is:
A. Local Jaguar Club members would be driving in the tour for free
while the SC's would have to pay even though they did all the work to get
this going -
B. A good portion of our membership monies will come from participants
that are in the local clubs - this may create a situation where we would not
reach the break even number due to all of the "exempt" drivers in this
scenario.
The rest of the fee structure looks great -
Regarding the Rout Extensions in the Mid Atlantic Regions:
Bob - I think we need to talk about the extension of the mid Atlantic
legs in "real time" ASAP. Would it be possible set up a call for the
NJ/Philly, Richmond, Georgia, SC's as well as myself - we could probably
resolve the gap fairly quickly -
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:07 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Questions
received.
Bob: to clarify regarding the fees and registration packages:
1) the SC receives the packages by courier: please tell me that
these will NOT come to Canada with Customs Duty owing! How many packages
will be sent?
2) the SC distributes these packages ONLY to those people who has
specifically registered in HIS sector.
3) if anyone wants to register during the sector, the SC collects
the $40 CDN + $7 and forwards it to?
4) local Jaguar club members will not have to register to drive in
the sector, but by the same token will not receive any registration
materials
Can you comment on the above?
Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob <mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca>
To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:51 AM
Subject: [JONAT] TEST
One of the group noted that he had not been receiving e-mails for a
few days, so I'm just sending this out as a test.
Let me know if you don't get this e-mail (just kidding! - let me know
if this email arrives OK). The SC's and ASC's should get two copies of this
email, and the participants should get one.
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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week). I am=20
hopeful though ... Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>D & B=20
Cooke<BR><B>Sent:</B> February 25, 2004 12:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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<DIV>Bob:</DIV>
<DIV>Speaking from the perspective of "Average Joe Jag =
enthusiast"=20
(if there is such a thing!! lol), I can say that I would be =
far more=20
inclined to participate in JONAT and dig into my pockets if =
costs=20
were covered by donation. A letter explaining the costs =
incurred would go a long way in encouraging me to dig =
even=20
deeper. The concept of charging a fee so that I can =
drive my=20
own tax paid roads does not sit well with me. And yet, I =
would=20
gladly support the cause by donation and I might even cough up =
more than=20
the amount of the fee. (provided my wife didn't find out!!)</DIV>
<DIV>I think the Jag-lovers donation drive is a very good=20
example of what can be gained by the volunteer =
approach.</DIV>
<DIV>As the saying goes, "One volunteer is worth ten pressed =
men."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Dave Cooke</DIV>
<DIV>Assistant Sector Coordinator</DIV>
<DIV>Victoria Vancouver Sector</DIV>
<DIV><A title=3Dhttp://www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van=20
href=3D"http://www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van"=20
target=3D_blank>www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D330590217-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>As a business decision it's stupid, I know, particularly =
as it's=20
not something I cannot really afford, and the very best scenario =
is=20
breaking even. (Although maybe if there are any left over I =
can sell=20
them on eBay for $500 each !) If Sectors want to forward =
some seed=20
money to help out, that would be appreciated, but certainly not=20
expected.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D330590217-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D330590217-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>No, I just have to trust you guys to go out there and get =
15 paying=20
registrants each... if we achieve this goal we will more than =
break=20
even. I lived out Gregory's way for 3 years and can't =
believe there=20
are not 15 people who would join the Tour and pay. Our local =
club=20
actually has 2 members out that way (about 1200 miles from my =
home), and=20
I'm sure I could coerce them to pay the $47, even if they decided =
not to=20
joint the Tour.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D330590217-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D330590217-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>I'm not too worried (ignorance is bliss!). I might =
ask in=20
return for putting in the seed money that my company be listed as =
a Tour=20
sponsor (I mentioned this to Fazal yesterday and I think he fell =
off his=20
chair!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D330590217-25022004> </SPAN>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert and =
Darlene=20
Stevenson<BR><B>Sent:</B> February 25, 2004 10:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT]=20
Questions<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>Bob2/24/04 5:17=20
PMengl@accesscomm.ca<BR>Bob, =
<BR> I=20
find it very disturbing when you talk about laying out $5,000 of =
your own=20
money when there is absolutely no way of knowing at this time how =
many=20
people will be willing to pay an entry fee. I sure hate to be a =
pessimist=20
but I'm afraid that I agree with Dr. Gregory that many may drive =
along but=20
few will be willing to=20
=
pay.<BR>  =
; =
&=
nbsp; Bob=20
Michigan=20
<BR><!--BLOCKQUOTE--><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Brad<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>"Local Jaguar Club members would be =
driving in the=20
tour for free while the SC's would have to pay even though they =
did all=20
the work to get this going " - I have a problem with this too to =
be honest=20
- I would rather have an MG type person on the tour willing to pay =
his=20
meagre share of the costs of organizing the tour, than some guy in =
a=20
Jaguar who is freeloading on the backs of all of us=20
volunteers.<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>"A good portion of our membership =
monies will come=20
from participants that are in the local clubs - this may create a=20
situation where we would not reach the break even number due to =
all of the=20
"exempt" drivers in this scenario" - this would tick me off =
royally as I'm=20
the guy who is likely going to have to spring the $5,000 to pay =
for the=20
registration packages until the money starts rolling (well =
trickling=20
really) in. <BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Regarding the conference call, in our =
effort to=20
keep costs down, can we try this on Windows Messenger's voice =
service?=20
Has anyone done this and does it work? ( I tried it =
with Fazal=20
last week and we must have been doing something wrong - we got =
Skype to=20
work, but Fazal does not think this works in a conference=20
mode).<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#008000><B>Bob England<BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#008000><B><FONT size=3D1>'69 E-Type =
& '72=20
XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
=
Coordinator<BR>http://www.jonat.org<BR></FONT></B></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf=20
Of </B>Brad Preiss<BR><B>Sent:</B> February 24, 2004 3:24 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] =
Questions<BR><BR><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT face=3DArial>Only problem I have with this =
addendum=20
is:<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>A. Local Jaguar Club members would be driving in the =
tour for=20
free while the SC's would have to pay even though they did all the =
work to=20
get this going - <BR>B. A good portion of our membership monies =
will come=20
from participants that are in the local clubs - this may create a=20
situation where we would not reach the break even number due to =
all of the=20
"exempt" drivers in this =
scenario.<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>The rest of the =
fee structure=20
looks great - <BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Regarding the Rout Extensions in the =
Mid Atlantic=20
Regions:<BR>Bob - I think we need to talk about the extension of =
the mid=20
Atlantic legs in "real time" ASAP. Would it be possible set =
up a=20
call for the NJ/Philly, Richmond, Georgia, SC's as well as myself =
- we=20
could probably resolve the gap fairly quickly -=20
<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT =
size=3D2><FONT=20
=
face=3DArial>Brad<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><!--BLOCKQUOTE--><F=
ONT=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf=20
Of </B>Dr Gregory Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 24, =
2004=20
1:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[JONAT]=20
Questions<BR><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial>received.<BR> Bob:=20
to clarify regarding the fees and registration=20
packages:<BR> 1) the SC receives the packages by =
courier:=20
please tell me that these will NOT come to Canada with Customs =
Duty owing!=20
How many packages will be sent?<BR> 2) the SC =
distributes=20
these packages ONLY to those people who has specifically =
registered in HIS=20
sector.<BR> 3) if anyone wants to register during =
the=20
sector, the SC collects the $40 CDN + $7 and forwards it=20
to?<BR> 4) local Jaguar club members will not =
have to=20
register to drive in the sector, but by the same token will not =
receive=20
any registration =
materials<BR> <BR> Can=20
you comment on the=20
=
above?<BR> &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; Gregory<BR></FONT></FONT><!--BLOCKQUOTE-->-----=
=20
Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> Bob=20
<mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca> <BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat-chat@autox.team.net <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 24, =
2004 9:51=20
AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] TEST<BR><BR><FONT size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>One of the group noted that he had not been receiving =
e-mails=20
for a few days, so I'm just sending this out as a=20
test.<BR></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Let =
me know if=20
you don't get this e-mail (just kidding! - let me know if this =
email=20
arrives OK). The SC's and ASC's should get two copies of =
this email,=20
and the participants should get one.<BR><FONT =
color=3D#008000><B>Bob=20
England<BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#008000><B><FONT size=3D1>'69 E-Type & '72 =
XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's=20
North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
=
Coordinator<BR>http://www.jonat.org<BR></FONT></B></FONT></FONT><BR><!--/=
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