[JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping

Wed Feb 25 14:23:01 2004

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Daniel

Good to hear you are still alive.  Please send through the SC/ASC
replacements name as soon as you can.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Daniel Thompson
Sent: February 25, 2004 2:57 PM
To: 'jonat@autox.team.net'
Cc: 'CHansonjag@aol.com'
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping

Daniel Thompson here, SC for the Montreal, Quebec leg (yes Bob, I'm still
alive!). The amount of emails this project is generating is unbelievable and
(I hate to say it) the level of complexity threatens to take all the fun out
of it. I have simply not had time to follow the emails for the last six
months, so I'm sure I've missed a ton of important discussions. The way
things are going I will not have time to properly manage this project going
forward (work is just too much burden right now) so I've signed up a new SC
and ASC to take over. I may become an assistant-assistant SC.

What I've seen in the last few emails I've read is this:

-     you have to "sign up" for this tour now. It's no longer informal.

-     You have to pay to sign up for this tour, it's no longer "a la carte".

-     The SC's will have to chase after people to pay (what happens if you
don't pay but just get in your car and follow the tour through your local
sector, do we call the cops and have you arrested?)

I was under the impression that this was a very low key, grassroots, loosely
organized idea for a "tour" that would use a website for planning and was
really all about having fun and doing a little driving. Kinda like a "let's
meet at the burger joint and go for a spin", but longer. The idea of SC's
was to "suggest" a route, hotels and sightseeing. Now I see $5,000 deposits,
fees/late fees, packages and complexity. What happened?

Like Gregory and a few others, I think it is going to be very difficult for
me (or my replacement) to convince local club members and Jag owners to
spend CDN$58 to drive ON THEIR OWN LOCAL ROADS. I agree with Gregory, I
would not have gotten involved at the beginning if I knew we would get to
this level of administrative complexity.

Anyway, I know most of the people involved in the setting up of this project
and have great respect for their enthusiasm and abilities. So I'm pretty
sure they'll be able to pull something off of value. But I think we've
wandered pretty far away from the original premise.

Daniel Thompson

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk [mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:27 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping

I second what Dave has said, judging from the (little) interest we have been
able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am really having trouble with
the administrative complications of fees. I doubt that many SC´s would have
agreed to do what they are doing if the present (planned) fee, fee
collection, package distribution arrangement were known ahead of time. As a
SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set up, I will be spending a good
deal of time on administration. Obviously, at this late date, I will
continue as planned. But I still have trouble with the whole issue of fees.
Is it just my age that makes me seem cranky about this? For the record, I
dislike being negative about anything, so even having to express these very
strong reservations makes me uncomfortable.

                                        Gregory

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size=3D2>Daniel</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500321821-25022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500321821-25022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Good=20
to hear you are still alive.&nbsp; Please send through the SC/ASC =
replacements=20
name as soon as you can.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500321821-25022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500321821-25022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>-----Original Message----- From: =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Daniel=20
Thompson Sent: February 25, 2004 2:57 PM To:=20
'jonat@autox.team.net' Cc: =
'CHansonjag@aol.com' Subject: RE:=20
[JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express =
shipping </DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<st1:PersonName><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Daniel=20
Thompson</st1:PersonName><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> here, SC for =
the=20
<st1:place><st1:City><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Montreal</st1:City><FONT=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">,=20
<st1:State><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Quebec</st1:State></st1:place><FONT=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> leg (yes=20
<st1:PersonName><SPAN=20
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Arial">Bob</st1:PersonName><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, I'm still =
alive!).=20
The amount of emails this project is generating is unbelievable and (I =
hate to=20
say it) the level of complexity threatens to take all the fun out of it. =
I have=20
simply not had time to follow the emails for the last six months, so I'm =
sure=20
I've missed a ton of important discussions. The way things are going I =
will not=20
have time to properly manage this project going forward (work is just =
too much=20
burden right now) so I've signed up a new SC and ASC to take over. I may =
become=20
an assistant-assistant SC.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I've =
seen in the=20
last few emails I've read is this: <o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">-<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<![endif]><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">you<FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> have to =
"sign up" for=20
this tour now. It's no longer informal.<o:p></o:p>
<![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">-<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<![endif]>You have=20
to pay to sign up for this tour, it's no =
longer "a la=20
carte".<o:p></o:p>
<![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">-<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<![endif]>The SC's=20
will have to chase after people to pay (what happens if you don't pay =
but just=20
get in your car and follow the tour through your local sector, do we =
call the=20
cops and have you arrested?)<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was under =
the=20
impression that this was a very low key, grassroots, loosely organized =
idea for=20
a "tour" that would use a website for planning and was really all about =
having=20
fun and doing a little driving. Kinda like a =
"let's=20
meet at the burger joint and go for a spin", but longer. The idea of =
SC's was to=20
"suggest" a route, hotels and sightseeing. Now I see $5,000 deposits, =
fees/late=20
fees, packages and complexity. What =
happened?<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Like Gregory =
and a few=20
others, I think it is going to be very difficult for me (or my =
replacement) to=20
convince local <st1:PersonName>club=20
member</st1:PersonName><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">s and Jag =
owners to=20
spend CDN$58 to drive ON THEIR OWN LOCAL ROADS. I agree with Gregory, I =
would=20
not have gotten involved at the beginning if I knew we would get to this =
level=20
of administrative complexity. <o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway, I =
know most of=20
the people involved in the setting up of this project and have great =
respect for=20
their enthusiasm and abilities. So I'm pretty sure they'll be able to =
pull=20
something off of value. But I think we've wandered pretty far away from =
the=20
original premise.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<st1:PersonName><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Daniel=20
Thompson</st1:PersonName><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message----- From: Dr =
Gregory=20
Andrachuk [mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca] <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: <st1:date =
Year=3D"2004"=20
Day=3D"25" Month=3D"2"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Wednesday, February 25,=20
2004</st1:date><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <st1:time=20
Minute=3D"27" Hour=3D"15"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">3:27=20
PM</st1:time><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: =
jonat@autox.team.net <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee =
plus late=20
fee for express shipping
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I second what Dave has =
said, judging=20
from the (little) interest we have been able to generate, despite our =
best=20
efforts. I am really having trouble with the administrative =
complications of=20
fees. I doubt that many SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are =
doing if the=20
present (planned) fee, fee collection, package distribution arrangement =
were=20
known ahead of time. As a SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set =
up, I=20
will be spending a good deal of time on administration. Obviously, at =
this late=20
date, I will continue as planned. But I still have trouble with the =
whole issue=20
of fees. Is it just my age that makes me seem cranky about this? For the =
record,=20
I dislike being negative about anything, so even having to express these =
very=20
strong reservations makes me uncomfortable.<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></DIV>
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<SPAN=20
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