[JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
Jerry Mouton
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed Feb 25 14:34:01 2004
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Well,
My biggest job will be setting up the welcome dinner
event in SLO. =20
The biggest worry I think will be watching
for breakdowns and insuring that anyone with problems=20
gets help in a timely fashion. There will be no mobile=20
phone access for much of the route.
Once we do all that, passing out the=20
entrant packets does not seem like a big deal=20
What am I missing?
Jerry
Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
Gregory ... thanks for your frankness ... anyone else feel this way ?
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On =
Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: February 25, 2004 2:27 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
I second what Dave has said, judging from the (little) interest we =
have been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am really having =
trouble with the administrative complications of fees. I doubt that many =
SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the present =
(planned) fee, fee collection, package distribution arrangement were =
known ahead of time. As a SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set =
up, I will be spending a good deal of time on administration. Obviously, =
at this late date, I will continue as planned. But I still have trouble =
with the whole issue of fees. Is it just my age that makes me seem =
cranky about this? For the record, I dislike being negative about =
anything, so even having to express these very strong reservations makes =
me uncomfortable.
Gregory
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: D & B Cooke=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
While I understand that there are various costs involved with =
JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs are not really =
apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides that he would like =
to support his Club and other Jag enthusiasts by participating in JONAT =
events, which are on a "user pay" basis, is required to pay $47 Cdn in =
exchange for a JONAT license plate. I tell you that this=20
will be a very tough sell. And speaking frankly, I can also =
tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't participate. =
JONAT doesn't offer anything except a license plaque and an opportunity =
to meet with other Jag owners - I can get that through my local club. =
Why would I pay $47?? Am I missing something here???
Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van Dusen ABFM =
fee which is levied against all entrants to the tune of $35. Charging =
this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an entertainer to perform =
in front of the audience from whom they have charged admission as well. =
Reportedly the ABFM is Van Dusen Garden's busiest day. Without the =
British Cars at Van Dusen Gardens would Van Dusen draw such a crowd? - =
and yet we, "the performers", are charged an entry fee!! Something is =
wrong! It is like paying extra for a trendy jacket that has a Nike logo =
on it so that you can have the "priviledge" of advertising for that =
company. Nike should cut the prices of their jackets in exchange for =
you being a walking advertisement.
Thank you ....Rant over. And yes, I will pay the $47 and =
I'll probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" in the years to =
come. But don't be surprised if there is little local interest in JONAT=20
Dave Cooke
Assistant Sector Coordinator
Victoria Vancouver Sector
www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van
=20
=20
=20
-------Original Message-------
From: jonat@autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express =
shipping
Hello,
I spoke with Bob earlier and discussed a different fee =
structure for late-payers. Please let me know your thoughts.
All participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their =
sector start) would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US =
or $47CAN). Their numbered plate and registration pack would be included =
in the bulk shipment that Regina sends out to their SC (12 days before =
their sector start).=20
A person who pays late (less than 15 days before their sector =
start) would still register on the website, but would not send payment =
to Regina. Instead, they would pay their SC when they met up with the =
tour. At that time, the SC would hand them a numbered plate and =
registration pack. A late fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed =
further below). The SC would forward these registration payments and =
late fees to Regina.
A person who spontaneously decides to join the tour as it is =
passing through their area would pay the same registration cost and late =
fee as the late payers, but would not necessarily register on the =
website, instead they would fill out a blank registration form carried =
by the SC's. The SC would forward these registration forms, payments, =
and late fees to Regina.=20
***************************************
Included in the regularly-scheduled bulk shipment to the SC =
would be the following:
A. Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid participants =
joining in the sector
B. Extra Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the =
sector
The cost of the late fee is calculated as follows:=20
If an SC runs out of Extra Registration packs during a sector, =
he would request an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 =
complete registration packs) from Regina that would be delivered =
overnight to an upcoming hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or =
so to receive their plate and registration pack. The cost of express =
shipping 10 registration packs to the SC is estimated at $80 US, or $8 =
per registration pack.
Only in cases where the SC runs out of registration packs will =
Regina incur the cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, the =
late fee is all profit for Jonat. I mean the charity.
The $8 late fee would serve as a small incentive to encourage =
early registrations, and not act as too big of a roadblock to =
late-comers or spontaneous participants.
What do you all think?
http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm shows the =
simplified explanation that drivers will see after they first register =
for the tour.
=20
The registration form is done. You can see the new form by =
viewing your profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right =
hand section of the main page. http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm It =
shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those that you will =
be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector attendance list =
that the SC's will be able to print out, thereby knowing who is =
scheduled to join their sector, and their payment status.
Greg
=20
=20
=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My biggest job will be setting up the welcome=20
dinner</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>event in SLO. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The biggest worry I think will be watching
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>for breakdowns and insuring that anyone with =
problems=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>gets help in a timely fashion. There will be =
no mobile=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>phone access for much of the route.<BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>Once we do all that, passing out the=20
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>entrant packets does not seem like a big deal=20
</FONT></DIV>What </FONT><FONT size=3D2>am I missing?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC =
"Laissez=20
les bons temps rouler!"<BR> Jaguar Owner's =
North=20
American Tour - <A=20
href=3D"http://jonat.org">http://jonat.org</A><BR>  =
; =20
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004<BR></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 25, =
2004 12:53=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] Driver's =
Fee plus=20
late fee for express shipping</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D724025220-25022004>Gregory ... thanks for your =
frankness ...=20
anyone else feel this way ?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net">jonat-admin@autox.team.net</A>=
=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory=20
Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> February 25, 2004 2:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Subje=
ct:</B>=20
Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express=20
shipping<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I second what Dave has said, judging from the =
(little)=20
interest we have been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am =
really=20
having trouble with the administrative complications of fees. I doubt =
that=20
many SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the present =
(planned)=20
fee, fee collection, package distribution arrangement were known ahead =
of=20
time. As a SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set up, I will be =
spending a good deal of time on administration. Obviously, at this =
late date,=20
I will continue as planned. But I still have trouble with the whole =
issue of=20
fees. Is it just my age that makes me seem cranky about this? For the =
record,=20
I dislike being negative about anything, so even having to express =
these very=20
strong reservations makes me uncomfortable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =
=20
=
=20
=
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddbcooke@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:dbcooke@shaw.ca">D & B =
Cooke</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 25, =
2004=20
10:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] Driver's =
Fee plus=20
late fee for express shipping</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; CURSOR: auto; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=20
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<DIV>While I understand that there are various costs =
involved=20
with JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs are =
not=20
really apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides =
that he=20
would like to support his Club and other Jag enthusiasts =
by=20
participating in JONAT events, which are on a "user pay" =
basis,=20
is required to pay $47 Cdn in exchange for a JONAT license=20
plate. I tell you that this </DIV>
<DIV>will be a very tough sell. And speaking frankly, I =
can also=20
tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't=20
participate. JONAT doesn't offer anything except a =
license=20
plaque and an opportunity to meet with other Jag owners - I =
can get=20
that through my local club. Why would I pay $47?? Am I =
missing=20
something here???</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van Dusen =
ABFM=20
fee which is levied against all entrants to the tune of =
$35.=20
Charging this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an =
entertainer=20
to perform in front of the audience from whom they=20
have charged admission as well. Reportedly the ABFM =
is Van=20
Dusen Garden's busiest day. Without the British Cars at =
Van=20
Dusen Gardens would Van Dusen draw such a crowd? - and =
yet we,=20
"the performers", are charged an entry fee!! Something is =
wrong! =20
It is like paying extra for a trendy jacket that has a Nike =
logo on=20
it so that you can have the "priviledge" of advertising =
for that=20
company. Nike should cut the prices of their jackets in =
exchange=20
for you being a walking advertisement.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you ....Rant over. And yes, I will pay =
the $47=20
and I'll probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" in the =
years=20
to come. But don't be surprised if there is little local =
interest in=20
JONAT </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave Cooke</DIV>
<DIV>Assistant Sector Coordinator</DIV>
<DIV>Victoria Vancouver Sector</DIV>
<DIV><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van">www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van</=
A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> =
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href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> =
Tuesday,=20
February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" =
<i><B>Subject:</B></I> [JONAT]=20
Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I spoke=20
with Bob earlier and discussed a different fee structure for=20
late-payers. Please let me know your =
thoughts.<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>All=20
participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their sector =
start)=20
would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US or =
$47CAN).=20
Their numbered plate and registration pack would be included =
in the=20
bulk shipment that Regina sends out to their SC (12 days =
before their=20
sector start). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A person=20
who pays late (less than 15 days before their sector start) =
would=20
still register on the website, but would not send payment to =
Regina.=20
Instead, they would pay their SC when they met up with the =
tour. At=20
that time, the SC would hand them a numbered plate and =
registration=20
pack. A late fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed =
further=20
below). The SC would forward these registration payments and =
late fees=20
to Regina.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT =
face=3DArial><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>A person who spontaneously decides to join the tour =
as it is=20
passing through their area would pay the same registration =
cost and=20
late fee as the late payers, but would not necessarily =
register on the=20
website, instead they would fill out a blank registration =
form=20
carried by the SC's. The SC would =
forward these registration=20
forms, payments, and late fees to=20
Regina. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>***************************************</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Included in the=20
regularly-scheduled bulk shipment to the SC would be the=20
following:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A.=20
Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid=20
participants joining in the =
sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>B. Extra=20
Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the=20
sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The cost=20
of the late fee is calculated as follows: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>If an SC=20
runs out of Extra Registration packs during a sector, he would =
request=20
an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 complete =
registration=20
packs) from Regina that would be delivered overnight to an =
upcoming=20
hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or so to receive =
their=20
plate and registration pack. The cost of express shipping 10=20
registration packs to the SC is estimated at $80 US, or $8 per =
registration pack.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Only in=20
cases where the SC runs out of registration packs will Regina =
incur=20
the cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, the late =
fee is=20
all profit for Jonat. I mean the charity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The $8=20
late fee would serve as a small incentive to encourage=20
early registrations, and not act as too big of a =
roadblock to=20
late-comers or spontaneous participants.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>What do=20
you all think?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm">http://jonat.org/user=
/welcome_plus_fee.cfm</A> shows=20
the simplified explanation that drivers will see after they =
first=20
register for the tour.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT><BR> </DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The=20
registration form is done. You can see the new form by viewing =
your=20
profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right hand =
section=20
of the main page. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm">http://jonat.org/user/myprof=
ile.cfm</A> It=20
shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those that =
you=20
will be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector =
attendance=20
list that the SC's will be able to print out, thereby knowing =
who is=20
scheduled to join their sector, and their payment=20
status.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Greg</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>
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