[JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
Ian Bailey
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed Feb 25 16:54:01 2004
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brad Preiss=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
I am sorry to say Gregory - I completely disagree - I think this is =
still fun - and easy and cheap.
All we have to do is hand out packets - I can handle that - then =
collect a fee for anyone who is standing there that I don't have a =
packet for and hand them another packet - I think I can handle that =
too... =20
What is the big deal - This will still be fun and cheap and I don't =
even mind paying my own fee -=20
This is a national event now whether we like it or not ( regardless of =
how it started ) and it does need "some" organization and structure - =
and it will still be fun for all....
Cheer up lads!!
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:54 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
Gregory ... thanks for your frankness ... anyone else feel this way =
?
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: February 25, 2004 2:27 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
I second what Dave has said, judging from the (little) interest we =
have been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am really having =
trouble with the administrative complications of fees. I doubt that many =
SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the present =
(planned) fee, fee collection, package distribution arrangement were =
known ahead of time. As a SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set =
up, I will be spending a good deal of time on administration. Obviously, =
at this late date, I will continue as planned. But I still have trouble =
with the whole issue of fees. Is it just my age that makes me seem =
cranky about this? For the record, I dislike being negative about =
anything, so even having to express these very strong reservations makes =
me uncomfortable.
Gregory
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: D & B Cooke=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express =
shipping
While I understand that there are various costs involved =
with JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs are not =
really apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides that he would =
like to support his Club and other Jag enthusiasts by participating in =
JONAT events, which are on a "user pay" basis, is required to pay $47 =
Cdn in exchange for a JONAT license plate. I tell you that this=20
will be a very tough sell. And speaking frankly, I can also =
tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't participate. =
JONAT doesn't offer anything except a license plaque and an opportunity =
to meet with other Jag owners - I can get that through my local club. =
Why would I pay $47?? Am I missing something here???
Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van Dusen =
ABFM fee which is levied against all entrants to the tune of $35. =
Charging this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an entertainer =
to perform in front of the audience from whom they have charged =
admission as well. Reportedly the ABFM is Van Dusen Garden's busiest =
day. Without the British Cars at Van Dusen Gardens would Van Dusen draw =
such a crowd? - and yet we, "the performers", are charged an entry fee!! =
Something is wrong! It is like paying extra for a trendy jacket that =
has a Nike logo on it so that you can have the "priviledge" of =
advertising for that company. Nike should cut the prices of their =
jackets in exchange for you being a walking advertisement.
Thank you ....Rant over. And yes, I will pay the $47 and =
I'll probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" in the years to =
come. But don't be surprised if there is little local interest in JONAT=20
Dave Cooke
Assistant Sector Coordinator
Victoria Vancouver Sector
www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van
=20
=20
=20
-------Original Message-------
From: jonat@autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express =
shipping
Hello,
I spoke with Bob earlier and discussed a different fee =
structure for late-payers. Please let me know your thoughts.
All participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their =
sector start) would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US =
or $47CAN). Their numbered plate and registration pack would be included =
in the bulk shipment that Regina sends out to their SC (12 days before =
their sector start).=20
A person who pays late (less than 15 days before their =
sector start) would still register on the website, but would not send =
payment to Regina. Instead, they would pay their SC when they met up =
with the tour. At that time, the SC would hand them a numbered plate and =
registration pack. A late fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed =
further below). The SC would forward these registration payments and =
late fees to Regina.
A person who spontaneously decides to join the tour as it is =
passing through their area would pay the same registration cost and late =
fee as the late payers, but would not necessarily register on the =
website, instead they would fill out a blank registration form carried =
by the SC's. The SC would forward these registration forms, payments, =
and late fees to Regina.=20
***************************************
Included in the regularly-scheduled bulk shipment to the SC =
would be the following:
A. Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid participants =
joining in the sector
B. Extra Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the =
sector
The cost of the late fee is calculated as follows:=20
If an SC runs out of Extra Registration packs during a =
sector, he would request an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 =
complete registration packs) from Regina that would be delivered =
overnight to an upcoming hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or =
so to receive their plate and registration pack. The cost of express =
shipping 10 registration packs to the SC is estimated at $80 US, or $8 =
per registration pack.
Only in cases where the SC runs out of registration packs =
will Regina incur the cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, =
the late fee is all profit for Jonat. I mean the charity.
The $8 late fee would serve as a small incentive to =
encourage early registrations, and not act as too big of a roadblock to =
late-comers or spontaneous participants.
What do you all think?
http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm shows the =
simplified explanation that drivers will see after they first register =
for the tour.
=20
The registration form is done. You can see the new form by =
viewing your profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right =
hand section of the main page. http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm It =
shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those that you will =
be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector attendance list =
that the SC's will be able to print out, thereby knowing who is =
scheduled to join their sector, and their payment status.
Greg
=20
=20
=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbpreiss@cox.net href=3D"mailto:bpreiss@cox.net">Brad =
Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 25, =
2004 4:09=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] Driver's =
Fee plus=20
late fee for express shipping</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004>I am sorry to say Gregory - I =
completely=20
disagree - I think this is still fun - and easy and =
cheap.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004>All we have to do is hand out =
packets - I=20
can handle that - then collect a fee for anyone who is standing =
there=20
that I don't have a packet for and hand them another packet - I =
think I=20
can handle that too... </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004>What is the big deal - =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D460160422-25022004>This will still be fun and cheap and I =
don't even=20
mind paying my own fee - </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004>This is a national =
event now whether=20
we like it or not ( regardless of how it started ) and it does =
need=20
"some" organization and structure - and it will still be fun for=20
all....</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004>Cheer up lads!!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D460160422-25022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004>Brad</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D460160422-25022004></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Bob<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:54 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] Driver's Fee =
plus late=20
fee for express shipping<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D724025220-25022004>Gregory ... thanks for your =
frankness=20
... anyone else feel this way ?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory=20
Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> February 25, 2004 2:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee =
plus late=20
fee for express shipping<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I second what Dave has said, judging from the =
(little)=20
interest we have been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I =
am=20
really having trouble with the administrative complications of fees. =
I doubt=20
that many SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the =
present=20
(planned) fee, fee collection, package distribution arrangement were =
known=20
ahead of time. As a SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set =
up, I will=20
be spending a good deal of time on administration. Obviously, at =
this late=20
date, I will continue as planned. But I still have trouble with the =
whole=20
issue of fees. Is it just my age that makes me seem cranky about =
this? For=20
the record, I dislike being negative about anything, so even having =
to=20
express these very strong reservations makes me =
uncomfortable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =
=20
=
=20
=20
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddbcooke@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:dbcooke@shaw.ca">D & =
B Cooke</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February =
25, 2004=20
10:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] =
Driver's Fee=20
plus late fee for express shipping</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>While I understand that there are various costs =
involved=20
with JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs =
are not=20
really apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides =
that he=20
would like to support his Club and other Jag =
enthusiasts by=20
participating in JONAT events, which are on a "user =
pay" basis,=20
is required to pay $47 Cdn in exchange for a JONAT license=20
plate. I tell you that this </DIV>
<DIV>will be a very tough sell. And speaking frankly, =
I can=20
also tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't =
participate. JONAT doesn't offer anything except a =
license=20
plaque and an opportunity to meet with other Jag owners - I =
can get=20
that through my local club. Why would I pay $47?? Am I =
missing=20
something here???</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van =
Dusen ABFM=20
fee which is levied against all entrants to the tune of =
$35.=20
Charging this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an=20
entertainer to perform in front of the audience from =
whom they=20
have charged admission as well. Reportedly the =
ABFM is=20
Van Dusen Garden's busiest day. Without the British =
Cars at=20
Van Dusen Gardens would Van Dusen draw such a crowd? - and=20
yet we, "the performers", are charged an entry fee!! =
Something=20
is wrong! It is like paying extra for a trendy jacket =
that has=20
a Nike logo on it so that you can have the =
"priviledge" of=20
advertising for that company. Nike should cut the =
prices of=20
their jackets in exchange for you being a walking=20
advertisement.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you ....Rant over. And yes, I will =
pay the=20
$47 and I'll probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" =
in the=20
years to come. But don't be surprised if there is little =
local=20
interest in JONAT </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave Cooke</DIV>
<DIV>Assistant Sector Coordinator</DIV>
<DIV>Victoria Vancouver Sector</DIV>
<DIV><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van">www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van</=
A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> <BR> </DIV>
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Message-------</I></DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dreceivestrings>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> =
Tuesday,=20
February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" =
<i><B>Subject:</B></I> [JONAT]=20
Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I spoke=20
with Bob earlier and discussed a different fee structure for =
late-payers. Please let me know your=20
thoughts.<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>All=20
participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their sector =
start)=20
would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US =
or=20
$47CAN). Their numbered plate and registration pack would be =
included in the bulk shipment that Regina sends out to their =
SC (12=20
days before their sector start). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A person=20
who pays late (less than 15 days before their sector start) =
would=20
still register on the website, but would not send payment to =
Regina.=20
Instead, they would pay their SC when they met up with the =
tour. At=20
that time, the SC would hand them a numbered plate and =
registration=20
pack. A late fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed =
further=20
below). The SC would forward these registration payments and =
late=20
fees to Regina.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT =
face=3DArial><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>A person who spontaneously decides to join the tour =
as it is=20
passing through their area would pay the same registration =
cost and=20
late fee as the late payers, but would not necessarily =
register on=20
the website, instead they would fill out a =
blank registration=20
form carried by the SC's. The SC would=20
forward these registration forms, payments, and =
late=20
fees to Regina. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>***************************************</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Included in the=20
regularly-scheduled bulk shipment to the SC would be the=20
following:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A.=20
Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid=20
participants joining in the=20
sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>B. Extra=20
Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the=20
sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The cost=20
of the late fee is calculated as follows: =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>If an SC=20
runs out of Extra Registration packs during a sector, he =
would=20
request an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 =
complete=20
registration packs) from Regina that would be delivered =
overnight to=20
an upcoming hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or =
so to=20
receive their plate and registration pack. The cost of =
express=20
shipping 10 registration packs to the SC is estimated at $80 =
US, or=20
$8 per registration pack.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Only in=20
cases where the SC runs out of registration packs will =
Regina incur=20
the cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, the late =
fee is=20
all profit for Jonat. I mean the =
charity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The $8=20
late fee would serve as a small incentive to encourage=20
early registrations, and not act as too big of a =
roadblock to=20
late-comers or spontaneous participants.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>What do=20
you all think?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm">http://jonat.org/user=
/welcome_plus_fee.cfm</A> shows=20
the simplified explanation that drivers will see after they =
first=20
register for the tour.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT><BR> </DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The=20
registration form is done. You can see the new form by =
viewing your=20
profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right hand =
section=20
of the main page. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm">http://jonat.org/user/myprof=
ile.cfm</A> It=20
shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those =
that you=20
will be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector=20
attendance list that the SC's will be able to print out, =
thereby=20
knowing who is scheduled to join their sector, and their =
payment=20
status.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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