[JONAT] Controversy 101
Barry La Pointe
jonat@autox.team.net
Mon Jan 12 22:03:01 2004
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What interested me most when I first learned of the tour was that it was =
fo "Jaguar Owners". There are numerous funcions that can be attended by =
British Cars and any other breeds for that matter but the thought of a =
"Jaguar Only" tour peeked my interest. I for one will be disappointed if =
it opens up to any and all British cars. I belong to the Okanagan =
British Car Club and no one in that group has complained that it is not =
for their marque and are very willing to help in any way they can.
I have to ask, do we now feel that we will not get enough participation =
if we do not allow other British marques into the tour? I for one do not =
think this.
My vote is to keep it as a "Jaguar Only" event.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101
I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. =
Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a =
British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are =
welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people =
to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the =
pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis =
for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said =
that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It =
was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a =
salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars =
that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this =
at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a =
Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); =
but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is =
quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car =
owners? Bob, you can come out now.
Gregory =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: JONAT MailList=20
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101
As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.
Check out=20
http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm
I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few =
months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put =
it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official =
JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it =
(and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. =
the only people with access are those on this list.
Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ...
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What interested me most when I first =
learned of the=20
tour was that it was fo "Jaguar Owners". There are numerous funcions =
that can be=20
attended by British Cars and any other breeds for that matter but the =
thought of=20
a "Jaguar Only" tour peeked my interest. I for one will be disappointed =
if it=20
opens up to any and all British cars. I belong to the Okanagan British =
Car Club=20
and no one in that group has complained that it is not for their marque =
and are=20
very willing to help in any way they can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to ask, do we now feel that we =
will not get=20
enough participation if we do not allow other British marques into the =
tour? I=20
for one do not think this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My vote is to keep it as a "Jaguar =
Only"=20
event.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dv12-vdp@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr Gregory=20
Andrachuk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, 2004 =
8:31=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] =
Controversy=20
101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suppose I will be the lone =
curmudgeon again,=20
but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British =
car tour.=20
If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car =
enthusiasts are=20
welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar =
people to=20
take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the =
pleasure of=20
travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for =
support=20
from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that =
there are=20
frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR =
run=20
that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient =
point:=20
there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that =
participate if it=20
is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A =
last=20
minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one =
thing (an=20
undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to =
other=20
British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, =
why=20
discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out=20
now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
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=
=20
=20
Gregory </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">JONAT MailList</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, =
2004 3:05=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] Controversy =
101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>As =
promised, I'm=20
throwing out a bit of controversy today.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Check out=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004><A =
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm">htt=
p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm</A></SPAN></FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>I =
know a few of=20
you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on =
both=20
sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed =
after=20
hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT =
policy. =20
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>Note =
that this is on=20
the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a =
final=20
decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access =
are those=20
on this list.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Now I'm going to=20
run away and hide until the flames blow over ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type & '72=20
XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
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