[JONAT] Controversy 101
Fazal Cader
jonat@autox.team.net
Mon Jan 26 14:23:01 2004
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I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars' and deal =
with any requests as they come up. BTW, what was our position on =
lumps/jag-powered vehicles and replicas?
Fazal
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From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101
Mark:
Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you =
suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will =
do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is =
a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary =
thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a =
Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side.
Gregory
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From: Mark Stephenson=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:38 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101
...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could =
join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the =
non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way.
So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to =
Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't =
be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag =
driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many =
sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to =
Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in =
common with us and will be valuable additions.=20
Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to =
prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be =
something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last =
minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them =
send us pictures?=20
I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website =
that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if =
circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. =
We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't =
driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and =
accept or reject.
Mark
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[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101
OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down =
... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased =
personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar =
Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively =
whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, =
or should I run away again ...
Bob England
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tend to agree. Let's just start with =
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Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come up. BTW, what was our =
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on lumps/jag-powered vehicles and replicas?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fazal</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dv12-vdp@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr Gregory=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Your points are =
well taken,=20
but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people =
can use=20
a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them =
at the=20
front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a =
non-Jaguar=20
should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our =
plans. If=20
people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement =
from our=20
side.</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmarks@jaguarot.com =
href=3D"mailto:marks@jaguarot.com">Mark=20
Stephenson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 26, =
2004 12:38=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] =
Controversy=20
101</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>...And my thought was that as long as they =
owned a=20
Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in =
a pack=20
and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the=20
way.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>So, I think it's almost unanimous that it =
should be=20
restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to =
grant owners=20
who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing =
the=20
non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for =
that many=20
sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to =
Jaguar-driving=20
owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common =
with us and=20
will be valuable additions. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Another factor to consider is that we =
aren't going to=20
be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto =
project=20
could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up =
to the=20
last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, =
make=20
them send us pictures? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I think we should make a statement on the =
entry form=20
and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their =
Jaguar,=20
but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion =
in=20
another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they =
own, why=20
they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can =
review=20
them and accept or reject.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D366312408-26012004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Mark</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Bob<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20
101<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D308100023-25012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has =
died down=20
... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of =
biased=20
personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar =
Enthusiasts"=20
driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they =
want=20
(such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or =
should I run=20
away again ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
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