[JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Dr Gregory Andrachuk jonat@autox.team.net
Sat Jan 31 10:07:03 2004


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And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected?
                                    Gregory
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Jones 
  To: jonat@autox.team.net 
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !


    Re:  
    "process has been developed on how the  SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.  There is no seed fund at a Tour level.
    -----
    I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's.  Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements).  If you are
    referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee?  Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go?

    Dick Jones
    Minnesota SC

    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bob 
      To: jonat@autox.team.net 
      Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM
      Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !


      Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ...

      "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion.  If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that!

      "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet.  This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month.  What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided.

      The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place.  Wisconsin is close to having one.  Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest.  Toronto, I think we are now close.  Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself.  That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response.


      "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR.  We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors).  One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now.

      "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend.

      "process has been developed on how the  SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.  There is no seed fund at a Tour level.

      "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on.  But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either.

      Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken.  There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too.  There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible.
      Bob England
      '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
      Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
      Route Coordinator
      http://www.jonat.org

      -----Original Message-----
      From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss
      Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
      To: jonat@autox.team.net
      Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time 


      Team,

      Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:

       I don't think a:

      1.  fee has been decided for even the National side
      2.  route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 
      3.  total of participants by sector has been mentioned
      4.  decision on who can participate has been finalized
      5.  process has been developed on how the  SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front

      Among others.....

      While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. 

      DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP

      Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about.....


      Brad Preiss

      Virginia SC

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<DIV><FONT size=2>And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to 
be collected?</FONT></DIV>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=rjones@mn.rr.com href="mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com">Richard Jones</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:46 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] decision time --- 
  REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT size=2>Re:&nbsp; 
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
    color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has been developed on how the 
    &nbsp;SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up 
    front</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - that is up 
    to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.&nbsp; There is no seed 
    fund at a Tour level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
    color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004>-----</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004>I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are 
    anticipated by SC's.&nbsp; Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting 
    any costs (or any reimbursements).&nbsp; If you 
    are</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004>referring to things like printing optional 
    sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the 
    anticipated&nbsp;$10 sector fee?&nbsp;&nbsp;Also, I am wondering what 
    happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- 
    where </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT 
    face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=470150115-31012004>does the remainder 
    go?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004>Dick Jones</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004>Minnesota SC</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
    color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
    class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV></FONT>----- Original Message ----- </DIV></DIV>
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      <DIV 
      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
      <A title=engl@accesscomm.ca href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> 
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
      href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision time 
      --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them 
      ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>fee has been decided for even the 
      National side</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - 
      no, still under discussion.&nbsp; If everyone can live with the $10 for 
      the Sector fee, I say let's set it at 
      that!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>route&nbsp;has been finalized&nbsp;( 
      guilty here as well in Virginia&nbsp;)</STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - no, that is up the the SC's, 
      and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of 
      yet.&nbsp; This does not concern me too much right now, but should be 
      decided by the end of the month.&nbsp; What does concern me is that if an 
      SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a 
      problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be 
      avoided.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=470150115-31012004>The 
      one&nbsp;difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place.&nbsp; 
      Wisconsin is close to having one.&nbsp; Indiana, I think we will by pass 
      as there is no interest.&nbsp; Toronto, I think we are now close.&nbsp; 
      Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the 
      SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that <FONT 
      color=#ff0000>ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision 
      myself</FONT>.&nbsp; That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers 
      out but no definitive response.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>total of participants by sector has been 
      mentioned</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - the 
      number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how 
      well we do our PR.&nbsp; We probably won't have a good idea until say end 
      of March (or even later in some Sectors).&nbsp; One of the keys at this 
      point is registration, and we are working on a methodology 
      now.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>decision on who can participate has been 
      finalized</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - I 
      think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the 
      end of the weekend.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has been developed on how the 
      &nbsp;SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up 
      front</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - that is 
      up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.&nbsp; There is no 
      seed fund at a Tour level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
      color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>While the ideas of emblems and badges and 
      the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues 
      here first - or the need for&nbsp;these other details will 
      obviously&nbsp;not be needed.</STRONG><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - you are spot on.&nbsp; But 
      also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues 
      either.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=470150115-31012004>Brad these type of comments are good and I would 
      encourage all to be outspoken.&nbsp; There are a few items that are behind 
      where I would like to see them too.&nbsp; There is always a last minute 
      rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and 
      want to avoid it as much as possible.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P><FONT size=2><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#008000>Bob 
      England<BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 size=1>'69 E-Type &amp; 
      '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route 
      Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A 
      href="http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 
      size=1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
      <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
      jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf 
      Of </B>Brad Preiss<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 30, 2004 10:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
      jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision time 
      <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Team,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike&nbsp;100% and I have 
      to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details 
      that have been decided on FIRMLY&nbsp;- seriously:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004></SPAN><SPAN 
      class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>&nbsp;I don't think a:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;fee has been decided for even the National 
      side</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;route&nbsp;has been finalized&nbsp;( guilty here as 
      well in Virginia&nbsp;)&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;total of participants by sector has been 
      mentioned</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>4.&nbsp;&nbsp;decision on who can participate has been 
      finalized</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>5.&nbsp;&nbsp;process has been developed on how the &nbsp;SC's get 
      reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up 
      front</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Among others.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We 
      have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need 
      for&nbsp;these other details will obviously&nbsp;not be 
      needed.</FONT>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED 
      ASAP</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was 
      talking about.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Brad Preiss</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Virginia SC</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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