[Nobbc] Front Plate petition

Thu Jan 15 21:37:58 MST 2009

Dan,
Great to see the actual vehicle code info.  I learned my lesson about 25 
years ago in Oregon not having the front license attached I got a fix it 
ticket.  The other option is of course put some thing up there to be proud 
of and let people know where your from.  See attached photo.
The photo was taken last summer when I pulled the engine to do a clutch job 
and flywheel change.
Sorry I haven't been able to join you guys on your rides but since this is 
my daily driver I seem never to make the time to just "go for a drive".  I 
will try in the future though and from  the previous email chatter bring a 
map so I don't get lost.
See ya all soon.
Liam O'Flaherty
Novato
marinmg
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan" <home at drummondlaw.com>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition


> Just in case anyone's interested, the actual license plate code sections
> follow.  Having been a police officer many years ago (and a motorcycle
> traffic officer to boot), I can tell you we frequently used missing front
> plates as probable cause to justify stopping someone, but rarely actually
> wrote the tag (unless of course justified by the attitude).
>
> VEHICLE CODE
> SECTION 5200-5206
>
> 5200.  (a) When two license plates are issued by the department for
> use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which
> they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.
>   (b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle,
> it shall be attached to the rear thereof, unless the license plate is
> issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate
> shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5.
>
> 5201.  License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the
> vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from
> swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible,
> and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible.
> The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12 inches nor
> more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license plate
> shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground, except as
> follows:
>   (a) The rear license plate on a tow truck may be mounted on the
> left-hand side of the mast assembly at the rear of the cab of the
> vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the
> ground.
>   (b) The rear license plate on a tank vehicle hauling hazardous
> waste, as defined in Section 25117 of the Health and Safety Code, or
> asphalt material may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than
> 90 inches from the ground.
>   (c) The rear license plate on a truck tractor may be mounted at
> the rear of the cab of the vehicle, but not less than 12 inches nor
> more than 90 inches from the ground.
>   (d) The rear license plate of a vehicle designed by the
> manufacturer for the collection and transportation of garbage,
> rubbish, or refuse that is used regularly for the collection and
> transportation of that material by any person or governmental entity
> employed to collect, transport, and dispose of garbage, rubbish, or
> refuse may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches
> from the ground.
>   (e) The rear license plate on a two-axle livestock trailer may be
> mounted 12 inches or more, but not more than 90 inches, from the
> ground.
>   (f) A covering shall not be used on license plates except as
> follows:
>   (1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to
> protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a
> violation of this subdivision. Any peace officer or other regularly
> salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws,
> including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may
> temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect
> any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle.
>   (2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a
> violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or
> impair the recognition of the license plate information, including,
> but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and
> registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over
> the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate
> security cover shall rest over the license plate number.
>   (g) A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that
> obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate
> by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement,
> an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road,
> high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a
> remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and
> 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or
> affixed to, a vehicle.
>   (h) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature that an accommodation
> be made to persons with disabilities and to those persons who
> regularly transport persons with disabilities, to allow the removal
> and relocation of wheelchair lifts and wheelchair carriers without
> the necessity of removing and reattaching the vehicle's rear license
> plate. Therefore, it is not a violation of this section if the
> reading or recognition of a rear license plate is obstructed or
> impaired by a wheelchair lift or wheelchair carrier and all of the
> following requirements are met:
>   (A) The owner of the vehicle has been issued a special
> identification license plate pursuant to Section 5007, or the person
> using the wheelchair that is carried on the vehicle has been issued a
> distinguishing placard under Section 22511.55.
>   (B) (i) The operator of the vehicle displays a decal, designed and
> issued by the department, that contains the license plate number
> assigned to the vehicle transporting the wheelchair.
>   (ii) The decal is displayed on the rear window of the vehicle, in
> a location determined by the department, in consultation with the
> Department of the California Highway Patrol, so as to be clearly
> visible to law enforcement.
>   (2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, if a decal is
> displayed pursuant to this subdivision, the requirements of this code
> that require the illumination of the license plate and the license
> plate number do not apply.
>   (3) The department shall adopt regulations governing the
> procedures for accepting and approving applications for decals, and
> issuing decals, authorized by this subdivision.
>   (4) This subdivision does not apply to a front license plate.
>
> 5201.1.  (a) A person shall not sell a product or device that
> obscures, or is intended to obscure, the reading or recognition of a
> license plate, as prohibited by subdivision (g) of Section 5201.
>   (b) A conviction for a violation of subdivision (a) is punishable
> by a fine of two hundred fifty dollars ($250) per item sold.
>
> 5202.  Every license plate issued by this State or any other
> jurisdiction within or without the United States shall remain
> attached during the period of its validity to the vehicle for which
> it is issued while being operated within this State or during the
> time the vehicle is being held for sale in this State, or until such
> time as a vehicle with special or identification plates is no longer
> entitled to such plates and no person shall operate, nor shall an
> owner knowingly permit to be operated, upon any highway any vehicle
> unless the license plate is so attached.  Special permits issued in
> lieu of plates shall be attached and displayed on the vehicle for
> which issued during the period of their validity.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Paige, Dean
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:09 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition
>
> Just stay out of lake County and San Francisco. State wide most of the
> ticketing is done by County Cops who patrol County Parks. Easy money.
> Santa Barbara one of the worst also. S F parking cops do the ticketing.
> Or keep a front plate in the trunk. Put is in the rt. front window when
> in iffy areas. Code only specifies that front plate be displayed on the
> car front, doesn't say where.
>
> Deano
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of David Willson
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:29 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition
>
> At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote:
>>I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by  Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county
>
>>mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill.
>
> FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered
> about it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for
> going really fast. ;-)  I guess I've been lucky so far.  Can you contest
> it and say it fell off?
>
> David Willson
> Sebastopol, CA
> 74 JH   # 19377         Daily commuter
> 74 JH   # 15244         Excellent parts car (need parts?)
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